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Cody, where did you go?


Let me put a frag in an isolated tank, crank the temp to 90 degrees, and let's see if the dip saves the frag. I bet you $100 it doesn't. Wanna take that bet? You claimed that stn/rtn is due to parasites. If that's true then temperature shouldn't matter.
 

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So after all these years we might have a possible cure! It’s already being tested and so far it’s working pretty well!

Turns out that coral parasites are most likely causing the RTN/STN after the coral has a stress event. This has been confirmed by several microscopic videos and images. We’re not 100%, but it sure appears this way. Not to mention there’s multiple species present. Pre and post treatments have already been done with some success.

So the Product that’s working fairly well is called Prime Coral Stop RTN.

Psxerholic has been doing some great work with it and many others including myself are testing now.

Hopefully we can end this once and for all, but we have a long way to go. In the next few years I see these events being well controlled and possibly completely controlled. Please join the discussion and give your input both here and R2R on Psxerholic’s thread.




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You're saying that after a stressful event the parasites cause tissue loss. Do you see how ridiculous that sounds? Think maybe it was the stressful event that caused the issue....?!!!!
 

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Also, some people are prone to cancer, some are not. Some are short, some are not. Some are prone to mental issues, some are not. You find a lot of genetic variance within a population, and corals are no difference. Of course, some corals act differently to different environments, same as any other living species on earth. That's how genetics work. The simple fact that some corals lose skin while others don't, and these "parasites" happen to be in the water column while that happens means nothing.

A brand presents a revolutionary product to a problem that you didn't know existed two days ago.
 
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I'm not an antagonist to good ideas. Lord knows that any of us would like to save a dying coral. I also know that no direct correlation between those "parasites" and skin loss has been demonstrated. Yet, a solution to a non-proven problem was marketed by you before any sound evidence was presented.

Are you familiar with Russell's Teapot?
Russell's teapot - Wikipedia

I’m not sponcered by this guy nor am I affiliated with him or anybody using this product in any way. All I’ve done is post fantastic video evidence that speaks for itself. I haven’t seen anything like it since I started the hobby 15+ years ago.

I’m not asking you or anybody else to buy it. I haven’t posted anything on my personal YouTube channel to advertise it. Many of us have talked about it on the live streams, on the forums, and now I’ve posted here, because I thought that some of you guys may be interested to know that there might just be a solution to a very detrimental problem that stems back to the beginning of this hobby.

If you don’t like this thread, please just delete it. It’s very simple.

Have a nice night.
 
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Cody1 said: ↑
Maybe it's the stress of temperature swings, parameter swings, salinity swings, etc that cause these events. You can no more prove that these "parasites" are there to feed on the flaking off skin than you can prove that they are the cause of it. Am I taking crazy pills or am I missing something?
You are very wrong my friend ;-)

When you have the equipment and time to spend, you can observe these ciliates munching alive and LIVE the tissue away ;-)

You are coming up with assumptions and maybes, I have Videos providing at least more than your assumptions ;-)

That is the difference nowadays, a fact you can't ignore, no matter with how many arguments and assumptions you come up with.
As I said before, there are events of a true expel which I can show you a video I made how the tissue expel looks like under the microscope, and there are no ciliates at all when this is happening not even as a scavenger.
And then you will see the video of how the parasites are eating the tissue and zooxanthellea, that will make even you thinking Cody!

Wait with the destructive comments until the end, and you have seen the whole picture.
Agree, there is of course someone who is after the money after all!
But I tell you, there is an interesting story behind the development of this dip!!!

-Andre
 

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Cody1 said: ↑
Maybe it's the stress of temperature swings, parameter swings, salinity swings, etc that cause these events. You can no more prove that these "parasites" are there to feed on the flaking off skin than you can prove that they are the cause of it. Am I taking crazy pills or am I missing something?
You are very wrong my friend ;-)

When you have the equipment and time to spend, you can observe these ciliates munching alive and LIVE the tissue away ;-)

You are coming up with assumptions and maybes, I have Videos providing at least more than your assumptions ;-)

That is the difference nowadays, a fact you can't ignore, no matter with how many arguments and assumptions you come up with.
As I said before, there are events of a true expel which I can show you a video I made how the tissue expel looks like under the microscope, and there are no ciliates at all when this is happening not even as a scavenger.
And then you will see the video of how the parasites are eating the tissue and zooxanthellea, that will make even you thinking Cody!

Wait with the destructive comments until the end, and you have seen the whole picture.
Agree, there is of course someone who is after the money after all!
But I tell you, there is an interesting story behind the development of this dip!!!

-Andre
So let's see this live. I follow logic, not my own pride. We live in the same city so walk me through it and I will be waving the banner until my arms are tired if it is true. Can I bring you a healthy frag and you demonstrate to me how the parasites will kill a healthy, encrusted frag?
 

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just curious, could the parasites be showing up after the stn/rtn has already started? not the causation?
 
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So let's see this live. I follow logic, not my own pride. We live in the same city so walk me through it and I will be waving the banner until my arms are tired if it is true. Can I bring you a healthy frag and you demonstrate to me how the parasites will kill a healthy, encrusted frag?

Let’s not discuss this anymore now. Just stop here before something is said that we both regret. Just let it play out more before you get too excited. Simmer down!
 

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Let’s not discuss this anymore now. Just stop here before something is said that we both regret. Just let it play out more before you get too excited. Simmer down!
Nothing emotional about it at all. Just want to see the concrete evidence after such bold claim is made. I havent seen causational evidence thus far. Just correlation, which is inconclusive. Andre and yourself are welcome into my home any day of the week. I just love arguing these things, and I suppose the text doesn't contain the tone.
 
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just curious, could the parasites be showing up after the stn/rtn has already started? not the causation?

IMO, I think the coral gets stressed which results in a trigger. For example...that trigger could be a particular chemical or smell that attracts the parasites to devour the coral. It looks like there may be several species. One thing that really caught my attention was...the Doctor seems confident that one species is specifically responsible for RTN. I really believe he’s right. I have to admit, I’ve NEVER seen anything with those numbers that move that crazy and cluster together like that. They swarm with speed that could surely RTN a colony in 24-48 hours. Can’t wait to learn more.
 
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Nothing emotional about it at all. Just want to see the concrete evidence after such bold claim is made. I've only seen causational evidence thus far. Just correlation, which is inconclusive. Andre and yourself are welcome into my home any day of the week. I just love arguing these things, and I suppose the text doesn't contain the tone.

Just chill out a little. Time will tell all. Do you think you’re the first person that’s reacted like this? People are so excited that feelings and emotions are running high!

Just think...maybe no more RTN / STN in the next few years.

Do you need to see the RTN swarm again. Look at the end of the video!



 

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IMO, I think the coral gets stressed which results in a trigger. For example...that trigger could be a particular chemical or smell that attracts the parasites to devour the coral. It looks like there may be several species. One thing that really caught my attention was...the Doctor seems confident that one species is specifically responsible for RTN. I really believe he’s right. I have to admit, I’ve NEVER seen anything with those numbers that move that crazy and cluster together like that. They swarm with speed that could surely RTN a colony in 24-48 hours. Can’t wait to learn more.
Get a shot of water that has the parasites in it. I'll dump it in my main tank. If after six months most of my corals are alive then you owe me $100, and if they're dead then I owe you the same. Sound fair?
 

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Hey guys oftentimes i see people forgetting the bigger picture of why we are here either on a forum or in a store, wherever we are. We want to create nature in our homes!

If you guys are enjoying the argument then continue it. Otherwise it's sometimes best to walk away and let others be. Personally I love to have disagreements with others, I find it to be an amazing way to connect with another.

So I'll gladly throw in my opinion. I've seen Facebook posts of this Dr. who is claiming to have the fix. If I remember correctly he's an MD not a marine biologist. Which to me really makes all of this sound fishy from the start. The question that I have is why hasn't this same discussion shown up with massive amount of die off that's occuring out in the wild? Anyways my two cents.
 
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Get a shot of water that has the parasites in it. I'll dump it in my main tank. If after six months most of my corals are alive then you owe me $100, and if they're dead then I owe you the same. Sound fair?

They’re already in all our tanks. Cody, you have not read these posts. You haven’t listened to the Doctor in the videos. I know this because most of your questions have already been answered.
 
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Hey guys oftentimes i see people forgetting the bigger picture of why we are here either on a forum or in a store, wherever we are. We want to create nature in our homes!

If you guys are enjoying the argument then continue it. Otherwise it's sometimes best to walk away and let others be. Personally I love to have disagreements with others, I find it to be an amazing way to connect with another.

So I'll gladly throw in my opinion. I've seen Facebook posts of this Dr. who is claiming to have the fix. If I remember correctly he's an MD not a marine biologist. Which to me really makes all of this sound fishy from the start. The question that I have is why hasn't this same discussion shown up with massive amount of die off that's occuring out in the wild? Anyways my two cents.

I respect your opinion.
 
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