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Got into another debate thread!

Cody is the only one debating everything.

This thread is not click bait. The picture is accurate and the videos and research are showing the product is working. Of course we don’t know everything which is why everybody is testing.

What would I gain by using click bait here. I don’t even post much anymore. Again, I have no affiliation with this guy. No reason to promote his product. My excitement comes from the video evidence and that we may have found the cause of RTN. I personally think we have.
 
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From Prime Coral:

Thank you for sharing your experience. The parasites enter healthy corals and infect their tissue and skeletons gastrovascular cavity. The RTN and STN parasites move quite easily throughout the entire coral, eating, mating and making exponentially more parasites. They have always been there every case of coral tissue necrosis.
Learn more here
Causes and Treatment of Coral RTN (Rapid Tissue Necrosis) and STN
 
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This cannot be denied! I’ve never seen NOTHING like this EVER!

This is 100% video proof before your very eyes. If you watch this video and try to say otherwise, you are simply running from the FACTS!

This is a chalice looking top down under a mere 10x magnification with external light source. Frank, if you’re lurking...please get my old microscope with the video port. Grab any RTNing coral. Place in a Petri dish and start at 10x. Then let the coral sit for 12 hours in small amount of water overnight. Look at only the water in 40x the next morning. Then post up. You don’t need to go past 40x.

 

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I'll admit I haven't read all the threads or watched all the videos.... but if this parasite is in our tanks and attacks one coral why don't they attack all corals? Why doesn't our entire tank STN/RTN? I have had frags STN, colonies STN, etc and had others right next to them continue living just fine.

Case in point, everytime I add a Red Planet to my tank it dies, STN slowly. But other frags sitting right next to them, live on fine.

Last thing, if this is true & it can save 1 frag/colony in my tank.... I'll buy it!
 

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I'll admit I haven't read all the threads or watched all the videos.... but if this parasite is in our tanks and attacks one coral why don't they attack all corals? Why doesn't our entire tank STN/RTN? I have had frags STN, colonies STN, etc and had others right next to them continue living just fine.

Case in point, everytime I add a Red Planet to my tank it dies, STN slowly. But other frags sitting right next to them, live on fine.

Last thing, if this is true & it can save 1 frag/colony in my tank.... I'll buy it!


I did watch some and it seems really interesting. But I feel the same. I would feel a lot better if some of the marine biologists would double check the claims. I'm always dubious of a claim along with an elixir for sale to correct it.
 
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I'll admit I haven't read all the threads or watched all the videos.... but if this parasite is in our tanks and attacks one coral why don't they attack all corals? Why doesn't our entire tank STN/RTN? I have had frags STN, colonies STN, etc and had others right next to them continue living just fine.

Case in point, everytime I add a Red Planet to my tank it dies, STN slowly. But other frags sitting right next to them, live on fine.

Last thing, if this is true & it can save 1 frag/colony in my tank.... I'll buy it!

Ever been super sick yet your wife is just fine? Why didn't she get sick?
 
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I did watch some and it seems really interesting. But I feel the same. I would feel a lot better if some of the marine biologists would double check the claims. I'm always dubious of a claim along with an elixir for sale to correct it.

100% agree. I'm working to get multiple people involved. I've already reached out to several junkies.
 

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So I did some research on this today and actually found quite a few articles published over the last five years in regards to what causes white band disease (WBD) on corals in the Caribbean. WBD is when the coral starts losing skin and it spreads out from there. Long story short, it seems that each time it's studied, they find that a pseudomonad population (a bacteria) shifts to an increasingly dominant Vibrio carchariae population that attacks a weak spot of the coral tissue. They still don't know if this bacteria is the cause of the weakness or just opportunistic. The antibiotic ampicilin cures the coral of the bacterial infection the majority of the time.

They have also identified a single cell cilite (Philaster lucinda) that is typically found at the scene of the crime once the Vibrio starts attacking the skin. There's no evidence to suggest the Philaster lucinda is doing anything other than eating tissue after it has been attacked and expelled by the Vibrio. They have found that using metronidazole reduces the population of philaster lucinda below detectable levels, how ever does not stop the spreading of the disease. This why they believe that the Philaster lucinda is eating the already dead skin, rather than causing it to die.

I'll link a couple articles below.




So here's the TLDR: there is a type of bacteria in your tank that can become hostile to coral tissue in certain sps. They attack a weak spot on the skin and spread out. No one knows for sure if it causes the weak spot or just takes advantage of an injured coral. Also, there are little ameoba-like creatures that start eating the skin after it falls off. An antibiotic named ampicilin is the best treatment for the bacteria and metronidazole is used to kill the little ameobas.


Discusses how the philaster Lucinda eats after the Vibrio attacks the coral
Coral killer identified using experimental antibiotics | Royal Society

How to treat Philaster lucinda
https://www.researchgate.net/public...dangered_Caribbean_coral_Acropora_cervicornis
 
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I also read that the ampicilin shouldnt be dosed into your tank due to the fact that it will kill good bacteria just the same as bad bacteria. I also read that an iodine dip helps with treating this bacteria as well.
 
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I also read that the ampicilin shouldnt be dosed into your tank due to the fact that it will kill good bacteria just the same as bad bacteria. I also read that an iodine dip helps with treating this bacteria as well.

Ampicillin is an antibiotic. Of course you can’t dose it into your DT.
 
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So I did some research on this today and actually found quite a few articles published over the last five years in regards to what causes white band disease (WBD) on corals in the Caribbean. WBD is when the coral starts losing skin and it spreads out from there. Long story short, it seems that each time it's studied, they find that a pseudomonad population (a bacteria) shifts to an increasingly dominant Vibrio carchariae population that attacks a weak spot of the coral tissue. They still don't know if this bacteria is the cause of the weakness or just opportunistic. The antibiotic ampicilin cures the coral of the bacterial infection the majority of the time.

They have also identified a single cell cilite (Philaster lucinda) that is typically found at the scene of the crime once the Vibrio starts attacking the skin. There's no evidence to suggest the Philaster lucinda is doing anything other than eating tissue after it has been attacked and expelled by the Vibrio. They have found that using metronidazole reduces the population of philaster lucinda below detectable levels, how ever does not stop the spreading of the disease. This why they believe that the Philaster lucinda is eating the already dead skin, rather than causing it to die.

I'll link a couple articles below.




So here's the TLDR: there is a type of bacteria in your tank that can become hostile to coral tissue in certain sps. They attack a weak spot on the skin and spread out. No one knows for sure if it causes the weak spot or just takes advantage of an injured coral. Also, there are little ameoba-like creatures that start eating the skin after it falls off. An antibiotic named ampicilin is the best treatment for the bacteria and metronidazole is used to kill the little ameobas.


Discusses how the philaster Lucinda eats after the Vibrio attacks the coral
Coral killer identified using experimental antibiotics | Royal Society

How to treat Philaster lucinda
https://www.researchgate.net/public...dangered_Caribbean_coral_Acropora_cervicornis

Just not logical. The numbers don’t add up. You’re gonna tell me that a gram negative bacteria can eat a huge coral colony within 24 hours? There’s so many broad spectrum antibiotics that will absolutely nuke vibrio. This would have been handled long ago.
 
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So let's see this live. I follow logic, not my own pride. We live in the same city so walk me through it and I will be waving the banner until my arms are tired if it is true. Can I bring you a healthy frag and you demonstrate to me how the parasites will kill a healthy, encrusted frag?

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I think everyone agrees that these parasites won't kill a healthy frag. The coral has to be stressed in some way. These critters are opportunistic. This subject has been beaten to death over the past several weeks in a local facebook group. You are kinda late to the party. Andre has done enough public, transparent testing to convince pretty much everyone but you. Andre was skeptical himself at the beginning. I remember when this all started. You don't have to have a shot of tank water. Unless you eradicated them, you already have them......waiting. For what its worth, I've ordered mine and Nick at OLA is treating one of his tanks right now.
 

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Just not logical. The numbers don’t add up. You’re gonna tell me that a gram negative bacteria can eat a huge coral colony within 24 hours? There’s so many broad spectrum antibiotics that will absolutely nuke vibrio. This would have been handled long ago.
The scientist have noticed that being a reason for STN. As far as RTN, it would make more sense that the coral itself is the driving force behind that.
 
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Wow that is beautiful. Did you use Jebao wavemakers?

Yeah, I had two very large wave makers on that tank. The tank I have now has 4. I think it’s better to run more smaller pumps than two larger pumps. I get better flow.


Cody, my apologies as I don’t want us to fight, but you kinda started it man. You’re the Treasurer man. That’s poor conduct!! I don’t have any hard feelings though. I know you guys are in your private little chat room feeling special discussing this thread, but I’ve honestly only written about what I know. My time is spent on R2R and YouTube and banning me would be pointless. We’re all skeptical and I’ll be the first to admit, I’m a huge skeptic. There’s a lot of questions to be asked, but it’s better to help test then to fight against the people trying to find more answers. I never claimed I know 100% of everything. I feel confident that these parasites are responsible for most RTN on Acropora. The real studies will come later and we’ll all have some solid answers. For now....Join the crew...you have multiple tanks and many of the people here do as well. If you really think about it...what can we loose?? Except for fish! Naw...I think people are reporting success with fish already. Andre only lost one fish with his in-tank treatment! Several others are testing now. I just talked to Diesel too. Here’s his quote:

“A act of nature will be never fully understand.
Science comes up with a reason to put it in writing, but at the end of it it’s just a theory.
We will fail to acknowledge that there are forces at work behind our understanding
We must have a respect of the law of nature.”

And the best wishes from Diesel
 

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Yeah, I had two very large wave makers on that tank. The tank I have now has 4. I think it’s better to run more smaller pumps than two larger pumps. I get better flow.


Cody, my apologies as I don’t want us to fight, but you kinda started it man. You’re the Treasurer man. That’s poor conduct!! I don’t have any hard feelings though. I know you guys are in your private little chat room feeling special discussing this thread, but I’ve honestly only written about what I know. My time is spent on R2R and YouTube and banning me would be pointless. We’re all skeptical and I’ll be the first to admit, I’m a huge skeptic. There’s a lot of questions to be asked, but it’s better to help test then to fight against the people trying to find more answers. I never claimed I know 100% of everything. I feel confident that these parasites are responsible for most RTN on Acropora. The real studies will come later and we’ll all have some solid answers. For now....Join the crew...you have multiple tanks and many of the people here do as well. If you really think about it...what can we loose?? Except for fish! Naw...I think people are reporting success with fish already. Andre only lost one fish with his in-tank treatment! Several others are testing now. I just talked to Diesel too. Here’s his quote:

“A act of nature will be never fully understand.
Science comes up with a reason to put it in writing, but at the end of it it’s just a theory.
We will fail to acknowledge that there are forces at work behind our understanding
We must have a respect of the law of nature.”

And the best wishes from Diesel

So I’m not sure what your implying.

I’m not in any room discussing this other than right here in this thread. Cody disagrees with you. That’s fine. Let the science prove it out.


My two pennies.


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