ICP Test Kit Results (1 Viewer)

[soymilk]

I believe I mentioned it in a different thread about testing two of the same samples to check their accuracy. Thanks Cody for testing that out for us. Even though you're a russian spy and all.

Reefahholic blocked me. lol I was about to draw him a graph.

 

[decimal]

that’s something we have in common. I’m blocked as well. I always knew Cody was getting paid huge dollars as part of the icp mafia.

In all seriousness, I don’t understand why there would be any pushback if the bod used marsh funds to provide icp test analysis (they didn’t) that are shared with the club.. it’s a service and would/should/did provide valuable data. No, I don’t mean “we bought 3k tests and we are giving them to members at $30 a piece, Triton is the best”

I actually think it’s pretty sh*tty to make a member pay out of pocket to do a general analysis and share it with everyone in the name of the club. We should have projects like this all the time just like we have a par meter that was bought by the club and is available to everyone. The only other thing I would add is that if the club did pay for such studies etc. it should be posted in the members only section.

That’s my $0.02

 

[soymilk]

I believe the info should be public though. IMHO the club is for the betterment of reefing in Houston in general. Having the data behind a paywall seems counteractive to helping out our fellow reefers. We are in a weird timeline right now and the more success everyone has ultimately helps us all in these precarious times.

 

[Cody]

that’s something we have in common. I’m blocked as well. I always knew Cody was getting paid huge dollars as part of the icp mafia.

In all seriousness, I don’t understand why there would be any pushback if the bod used marsh funds to provide icp test analysis (they didn’t) that are shared with the club.. it’s a service and would/should/did provide valuable data. No, I don’t mean “we bought 3k tests and we are giving them to members at $30 a piece, Triton is the best”

I actually think it’s pretty sh*tty to make a member pay out of pocket to do a general analysis and share it with everyone in the name of the club. We should have projects like this all the time just like we have a par meter that was bought by the club and is available to everyone. The only other thing I would add is that if the club did pay for such studies etc. it should be posted in the members only section.

That’s my $0.02

if I remember correctly, one the conditions of us being able to buy them at wholesale prices was that we would not turn around and sell them for a profit. We are supposed to exclusively sell them to members at our cost. I was talking to Gregg earlier and I believe he said we lose about $0.15 per unit, plus the cost of the swag that Gregg typically throws in with each purchase.

But I guess reefaholic was right. We actually do have an agenda and that agenda is building the best reefing community we can.

 

[decimal]

No, I know the club is not making any $$ on that. I really just think ppl need to relax a little. First of all, I get my membership fee covered with the first mistake I am able to avoid by asking, discussing, researching here. If that doesn’t do it (because I know some of our members here know everything there is to know about reefing and are infallible so they don’t make mistakes) the first frag I buy on the market place for a fraction of what I would pay if I ordered it through the mail again covers my membership fees. I have always been of the opinion that it is my responsibility to pay my fees and remain a member just for that. Also, we share way too much with non members who benefit just from being here as guest but that’s just my opinion and not everyone agrees for various reasons.

Again, I honestly don’t even care what happens to my membership $$ since if I relate on a transactional context, I am getting my moneys worth and then some. Please, use my membership fees to buy more icp tests and share the results with us other members.

 

[soymilk]

use my membership fees for booze and jello shots oh i mean... we need to research vodka dosing on humans. gotta make sure its safe

 

[decimal]

Count me in. We have a large group of test subjects ready to go.

 

[Reefahholic]

We bought 110 in august/2018, then 50 in June/2020, then in may/2021 they donated 300 kits, we gave away free about 270 of those at reefcurrents. The club also bought triton test kits at a group buy rate. Had ATI offered us a group rate we would have gotten some of those as well. We didn’t buy any of these test kits to make money for cody or the club. It was done to try to get a group price so you and the other members could benefit from the price break… your welcome by the way. We didn’t buy the tests to make money or to promote a specific product.

Cody has no incentive to push one brand over the other.

This came up after a conversation we had about if the tests are accurate or not and he volunteered to buy some kits and run a test.

If someone chooses to use one test over the other it in no way effects the club, there is no conspiracy here. We could not care less what test people want to buy, this was just to see if they are accurate or not.

Marsh is a non-profit and the board members volunteer their time for free and get nothing in return. As long as I’ve been on the board we have never once had a conversation about how to raise extra dollars for the club. Even reef currents is budgeted to try to break even. We manage what we have and give back to the members every chance we can all in the hopes of just breaking even.

This experiment has nothing to do with making money for cody or the club, it could have come back as not being accurate at all.

Buy whatever test kit you want or buy none at all… we don’t care.

Well that is good news Gregg. I’m glad Marsh hasn’t become money hungry like so many others. Anyway, you guys did acquire a lot of ICP Analysis tests kits (point I’ve been trying to make here along with their inaccuracies), and because of that there is some biases towards these tests. A lot of the BOD’s and members have took advantage of them, because of their cheap price and faster US turnaround. Like you said, 300 were acquired for FREE. That in itself should have raised some concern’s about the company. Maybe they were just feeling generous? Or is it that they are trying really hard to get their business savvy foot into the ICP world of reefing and dominate this area of the hobby? Either way, I won’t use them. I never felt good about the company from the beginning and all the data I’ve seen across the board has backed up my “feelings” with “facts” which is why I felt it necessary to warm about these tests. If you personally feel comfortable using them then just ignore my warnings and continue using them. It’s a pretty simple concept!

I think the bottom line is that people don’t want to give up that $25 test or the tests they received for FREE. I get it and that’s your choice, but don’t get mad a me for stating the obvious. This is why emotions came out, and why Cody felt the need to defend. IMO it was never really about an honest comparison, but only to defend what he and many others here had been using and that’s fine.

I got the Triton test results back late last night. I’ve been using excel to calculate the results to form a consensus on accuracy and precision. I think everyone will be happy to see the results.

He wanted to assure everyone that ICPANALYSIS tests were good to go! Don’t worry about what everybody else has been saying for the last several years, just reply on my spreadsheet comparison with a few tests! Most (including him) didn’t want to acknowledge they had been using the most unreliable test out of all of them and even Randy F. will tell you “there are much better options” or “they have a very poor understanding of chemistry.”

People can get mad, but it is what it is. If you don’t like the truth and feel my words are too harsh then maybe you shouldn’t be on a message board. Marsh has created the famous “ignore botton” (Just like R2R) for instances just like this! There’s been a few here that have already found mine. It’s a fantastic feature!

Everybody should be able to freely express their opinions about anything reefing related. It’s ok to have disagreements or is it?

 

[Erin]

I believe I mentioned it in a different thread about testing two of the same samples to check their accuracy. Thanks Cody for testing that out for us. Even though you're a russian spy and all.

Reefahholic blocked me. lol I was about to draw him a graph.

He blocked me a while ago (obviously), but I'm still getting a kick out of reading the responses to his posts! Lmao!!

 

[MurseJB]

Well that is good news Gregg. I’m glad Marsh hasn’t become money hungry like so many others. Anyway, you guys did acquire a lot of ICP Analysis tests kits (point I’ve been trying to make here along with their inaccuracies), and because of that there is some biases towards these tests. A lot of the BOD’s and members have took advantage of them, because of their cheap price and faster US turnaround. Like you said, 300 were acquired for FREE. That in itself should have raised some concern’s about the company. Maybe they were just feeling generous? Or is it that they are trying really hard to get their business savvy foot into the ICP world of reefing and dominate this area of the hobby? Either way, I won’t use them. I never felt good about the company from the beginning and all the data I’ve seen across the board has backed up my “feelings” with “facts” which is why I felt it necessary to warm about these tests. If you personally feel comfortable using them then just ignore my warnings and continue using them. It’s a pretty simple concept!

I think the bottom line is that people don’t want to give up that $25 test or the tests they received for FREE. I get it and that’s your choice, but don’t get mad a me for stating the obvious. This is why emotions came out, and why Cody felt the need to defend. IMO it was never really about an honest comparison, but only to defend what he and many others here had been using and that’s fine.



He wanted to assure everyone that ICPANALYSIS tests were good to go! Don’t worry about what everybody else has been saying for the last several years, just reply on my spreadsheet comparison with a few tests! Most (including him) didn’t want to acknowledge they had been using the most unreliable test out of all of them and even Randy F. will tell you “there are much better options” or “they have a very poor understanding of chemistry.”

People can get mad, but it is what it is. If you don’t like the truth and feel my words are too harsh then maybe you shouldn’t be on a message board. Marsh has created the famous “ignore botton” (Just like R2R) for instances just like this! There’s been a few here that have already found mine. It’s a fantastic feature!

Everybody should be able to freely express their opinions about anything reefing related. It’s ok to have disagreements or is it?

people might take your “disagreements” better if your replies weren’t sarcastic, arrogant, or smart ********* in nature. And through out everyone kept reminding you to chill out and you still kept ranting instead of staying on topic, while basically $hitting on the OP and the BOD….

 

[Cody]

Well that is good news Gregg. I’m glad Marsh hasn’t become money hungry like so many others. Anyway, you guys did acquire a lot of ICP Analysis tests kits (point I’ve been trying to make here along with their inaccuracies), and because of that there is some biases towards these tests. A lot of the BOD’s and members have took advantage of them, because of their cheap price and faster US turnaround. Like you said, 300 were acquired for FREE. That in itself should have raised some concern’s about the company. Maybe they were just feeling generous? Or is it that they are trying really hard to get their business savvy foot into the ICP world of reefing and dominate this area of the hobby? Either way, I won’t use them. I never felt good about the company from the beginning and all the data I’ve seen across the board has backed up my “feelings” with “facts” which is why I felt it necessary to warm about these tests. If you personally feel comfortable using them then just ignore my warnings and continue using them. It’s a pretty simple concept!

I think the bottom line is that people don’t want to give up that $25 test or the tests they received for FREE. I get it and that’s your choice, but don’t get mad a me for stating the obvious. This is why emotions came out, and why Cody felt the need to defend. IMO it was never really about an honest comparison, but only to defend what he and many others here had been using and that’s fine.



He wanted to assure everyone that ICPANALYSIS tests were good to go! Don’t worry about what everybody else has been saying for the last several years, just reply on my spreadsheet comparison with a few tests! Most (including him) didn’t want to acknowledge they had been using the most unreliable test out of all of them and even Randy F. will tell you “there are much better options” or “they have a very poor understanding of chemistry.”

People can get mad, but it is what it is. If you don’t like the truth and feel my words are too harsh then maybe you shouldn’t be on a message board. Marsh has created the famous “ignore botton” (Just like R2R) for instances just like this! There’s been a few here that have already found mine. It’s a fantastic feature!

Everybody should be able to freely express their opinions about anything reefing related. It’s ok to have disagreements or is it?

What do you want? Gregg and I will personally pay for three test kits each of ICP, ATI, and Triton and send them off from the same water sample. We can do this at the MARSH frag swap/BBQ/DIY fish food event on May 14th at Deanna’s and use her water, which you’re welcome to attend to make sure we aren’t being corrupt.

Dozens of members will be there to verify that the samples are bagged and sealed from the same source and we will put them directly in the mailbox. Will this satiate your fever?

 

[soymilk]

we all know marsh has people on the inside of the post office. Marsh is basically the deep state. It’s better if reefaholic personally hand delivers each sample.

 

[Reefahholic]

people might take your “disagreements” better if your replies weren’t sarcastic, arrogant, or smart ********* in nature. And through out everyone kept reminding you to chill out and you still kept ranting instead of staying on topic, while basically $hitting on the OP and the BOD….

I don’t need anything to be taken better. I’m not a dog and don’t need directives. If the truth hurts, then I’m sorry. Facts over feelings.

 

[MurseJB]

I don’t need anything to be taken better. I’m not a dog and don’t need directives. If the truth hurts, then I’m sorry. Facts over feelings.

That’s okay I’ll pray for you dawg

 

[Reefahholic]

What do you want? Gregg and I will personally pay for three test kits each of ICP, ATI, and Triton and send them off from the same water sample. We can do this at the MARSH frag swap/BBQ/DIY fish food event on May 14th at Deanna’s and use her water, which you’re welcome to attend to make sure we aren’t being corrupt.

Dozens of members will be there to verify that the samples are bagged and sealed from the same source and we will put them directly in the mailbox. Will this satiate your fever?

Who said you were corrupt? I said you were biased towards ICPAnalysis.

There’s nothing to prove that hasn’t already been done many times. Maybe Marsh has been in its own bubble for so long that it can’t acknowledge actuality.

Go back and read this entire thread. I said form the beginning that those analysis are not trustworthy. You guys didn’t like it. Not even ONCE did any of you ACKNOWLEDGE it. Not even ONCE! Go back and read the thread from page one. Then some of you jumped me, because I brought up Moonshine which goes hand in hand with ANY ICP testing and then you tried to bully me as if I was getting “off topic” and tried to falsely accuse me of “hijacking the thread.” It’s funny how many times that’s happened in my threads and I’ve never said a word about it nor has any of the BOD. It’s all “reef talk” to me and we can take it anywhere you want to go, but people didn’t like the facts or evidence that I was bringing to the table and therefore tried to take it in that direction and silence my voice/ opinions. They never did like Moonshine (not sure why) and tried to jump me before for a “promotional video” of Andre’s tank. They went into a top secret BOD meeting in the BOD forum about it. BTW that “promotional video” is still on my channel if you want to see how promotional it was. It’s called “Andre’s Reef Moonshiner’s Program!” Type that into the YouTube search bar. I was basically introducing people to the program and putting Andre’s method out there because I believe in it and feel it’s one of the best (the best IMO) out there.


Now…let me just tell you how QUICK I will drop ATI if another ICP company comes out and is more accurate and tests all the elements we need. As far now ATI has proven to be a top contender.

 

[Reefahholic]

That’s okay I’ll pray for you dawg

Ok dawg. This might be the next guy that meets my ignore button.

 

[Cody]

Alright so whether @Reefahholic wants to participate or not, I would like to do an experiment with three kits from each brand of test kits from the same water sample to get a better data sample for each brand. I can get the ICP and Triton test kits for about $20-25 each from the club but I need to buy three ATI test kits, which will run me about $150, or roughly twice as much as the other kits.

Again, the test kit collections will be done on 5/14 at the next MARSH event at @sneezebeetle house where we will have a frag swap, bbq, and DIY frozen fish food event. Show up to see for yourself in person the water samples collected, bagged, and mailed!

GO THE LINK BELOW TO REGISTER FOR FREE TO SEE THESE RESULTS COLLECTED IN PERSON

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Come join us for an afternoon of fun outside and in person!. We will be having a Frag Swag and BBQ Saturday May 14th starting at 1pm. This is a great way to meet fellow saltwater tank owners and reef keepers and to make a little money off your tank at the same time. For those that haven’t been...

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[Reefahholic]

Alright so whether @Reefahholic wants to participate or not, I would like to do an experiment with three kits from each brand of test kits from the same water sample to get a better data sample for each brand. I can get the ICP and Triton test kits for about $20-25 each from the club but I need to buy three ATI test kits, which will run me about $150, or roughly twice as much as the other kits.

Again, the test kit collections will be done on 5/14 at the next MARSH event at @sneezebeetle house where we will have a frag swap, bbq, and DIY frozen fish food event. Show up to see for yourself in person the water samples collected, bagged, and mailed!

GO THE LINK BELOW TO REGISTER FOR FREE TO SEE THESE RESULTS COLLECTED IN PERSON

MAY FRAGS SWAP AND BBQ | Marine and Reef General Discussion

Come join us for an afternoon of fun outside and in person!. We will be having a Frag Swag and BBQ Saturday May 14th starting at 1pm. This is a great way to meet fellow saltwater tank owners and reef keepers and to make a little money off your tank at the same time. For those that haven’t been...

marsh-reef.org

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How many Acro’s do it get to cherry pick from your reef (on video) if it’s out in left field from Triton and ATI?

 

[Cody]

How many Acro’s do it get to cherry pick from your reef (on video) if it’s out in left field from Triton and ATI?

None. How about I donate a couple hundred dollars to your church if you show up in person to the May 14th MARSH event just to mingle, hang out, and have a good time with your fellow reefing community?

We are going do this with or without you, just wanted to give you an extra incentive to be a part of this community that you spent so much time being antagonistic towards.

 

[Reefahholic]

None. How about I donate a couple hundred dollars to your church if you show up in person to the May 14th MARSH event just to mingle, hang out, and have a good time with your fellow reefing community?

We are going do this with or without you, just wanted to give you an extra incentive to be a part of this community that you spent so much time being antagonistic towards.

We can’t have opposing viewpoints? Come on. I don’t disagree with everything. Gezz.

Look, if ICPAnalysis isn’t the furthest away from the other two (ATI and Triton) then I will show up to an event soon and also let you Cherry Pick 5 Acro frags out of my reef in 6 months. I probably shouldn’t have just said that as the Triton US location has been spitting out some weird numbers lately.