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im going to start a small reef tank tomorrow, of course im going to let it cycle etc. but i was wondering if anyone has had experience with oolyte sand? i heard its to small and blows everywhere, if thats the case im just going to wait until i see some sand for sale here or on craigslist.
 

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I don't like anything fine grade because like you said, it gets everywhere. Unless you have very small sand sifters, I wouldn't get it. I have a diamond goby which is a sand sifter and he sifts my Carib-Sea Special Grade Reef Sand just fine, which is a much more coarse sand. I like it because it is easier to clean (I vacuum my sand) and doesn't hold a lot of detritus and trap nitrates because water can flow through it easier.

My second question is why do you want to buy used sand or "live sand." The best way to go IMO is to get new clean sand, some live rock, and a bottle of TLC Start Smart. Add that bottle to your tank and it cycles very quickly with almost no ammonia spike. You can add fish the same day you start your tank and I can almost guarantee your levels won't go above .25 on your ammonia and 10 on your nitrates.

I can say this because I set up a new 60gal 2 months ago for somebody and on the same day transferred in 9 small fish (gobies, lawnmower, cardinals, clowns, etc) from the other tank. I monitored the ammonia and nitrates daily for 2 weeks. Sand was new and rock was live that I had on hand. The highest the levels got were as previously mentioned and quickly dropped back down. There was the standard algae bloom in the water for a few days but nothing was ever at dangerous levels for the fish. We even put a rbta, a large clam, and several soft corals from the other tank in there at the same time, all on start up. Everything is doing great 2 months later and the tank was fully cycled with all those fish and corals contributing to the bioload.

In my experience, the live sand theory is a myth and I would rather start my tank up knowing exactly what I am putting in it. Prior to this tank, I had never used Start Smart before but after seeing how well it worked, I use it on all of my tanks now.

They make another product called Start Smart Complete that is used for maintenance. It helps keep algae levels down and your bacteria population high. I have found that my water gets exceptionally clear after using it, especially if you have a high bioload.
 
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to answer your question i didnt mind getting used sand because like you said people swear by it when starting a new tank, for the cycling process. this whole start smart is new to me and i have never heard of it but it seems really interesting and i definitely want to look into that. i guess i will be looking into more coarse sand to avoid the clouding trouble.
 

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My thoughts were just like yours for many years. Before I set up my 400g a few months ago, I had (and still have) 4 other tanks. I have had every kind of pest you can imagine (flatworms, stone crab that ate my pipe fish, bristleworms, small starfish, aptaisia,etc) that all came from live rock or sand from someone elses tank (or the LFS). With my 400g, my goal was to control what was introduced into my tank. I now dip (fresh water or Coral fx) or quarantine everything that goes in my big tank. Even my live rock. You wouldn't quarantine live sand, and you can't realy dip it. If you do a fw dip, you risk killing everything you are getting the live sand for. That is why I suggested TLC. In my experience so far, it works! It cycles a tank WAY faster and you can add livestock (within reason of course) the same day you start it up.

And I am the kind of person that I blow my rock with a turkey baster every time I do a water change. That fine sand goes everywhere. Kinda like going to the beach in Galveston...lol
 

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My second question is why do you want to buy used sand or "live sand." The best way to go IMO is to get new clean sand, some live rock, and a bottle of TLC Start Smart. Add that bottle to your tank and it cycles very quickly with almost no ammonia spike. You can add fish the same day you start your tank and I can almost guarantee your levels won't go above .25 on your ammonia and 10 on your nitrates.

Hi, webster.
I'm not familiar with TLC Start Smart. Can you please tell a little more info? What is it and where do you get it?

Thanks and good luck,
Steve
 

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I have actually seen webster ( james) tanks and the guy knows how to keep a tank clean. when I set up my dream tank I am going to switch to more coarse sand because I use the fine stuff and it is a pain. my sand sifters blow it everywhere and my water is always cloudy because of it.

in saying all that I have a 5 gallon bucket of sand you can have. all I ask is you bring your own container or bring me a replacement bucket
 
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I recently used Tropic Eden Reef Flakes:

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This stuff is incredibly clean, consistent, and doesn't cloud up when you clean the top layer (as I do). I even showed a few other reefers that have seen my refugium... It's really worth the money, IMO.

Oolite is great, fine sand, and really nice looking at first, but it is "ridiculous" when it comes to blowing around with your flow. It's sugar grade so what do you expect.

A good second choice is Seafloor Special Grade (I think Caribsea?). I have that in my DT and it hold pretty good, even with the flow cranked all the way. It's a bit cheaper, but I really wish I used the Reef Flakes in my DT.
 

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Here is a link to their home page. You want to focus on "Smartstart Complete" for saltwater. They also make it for freshwater so don't accidentally order the wrong one if you get it. The shelf life is 18 months so I order it by the gallon (but I have a lot of tanks). It is cheaper if you buy a larger quantity. Their tech support is very helpful too if you have a question.

https://www.tlc-products.com/
 

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I have heard of a similar product made by dr. Tim's that is said to work but I have not used it myself
 
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