TMP Salt- Stop using it immediately. (1 Viewer)

[Reefahholic]

Check this quote out:

“I will say this, any of you guys ever seen Tropic marin’s set up at a show? Saddest booth Iv ever seen! Supposedly one of the biggest salts but no employees, crappy little banner hung by a couple pieces of twine lol it’s sad! Also Lou made a big deal because I was getting pallets of salt wholesale from my wholesale company but wasn’t stocking 20% of his products, he told me they don’t make crap on the salt only the other products and that he was going to put a stop to me getting salt if I didn’t follow the rules…. This was a couple of months before I started having issues. He also told me something that made me think later on. He said that if you overdose your picture tank with elements and put your corals in there for a hour or so that they will be insanely colored for your pictures, but then said don’t leave them in for long or else it would destroy them! When I found out it was his salt that destroyed my corals that’s all I ever thought about after the fact. He also got all weird when I said all I do is big water changes to keep my corals growing, told me to stop and start dosing…. Sounds normal but if you saw the look on his face it’s almost like he knew he was adding too much of something or the raw materials were testing high in something. The whole encounter was weird! This was at macna Las Vegas… just looked it up and that was 2018 so I think October November of 2018 is when my problems started with TM salt”

 

[Cody]

Another quote:

“Ryan Cunningham my story is very similar except I lost probably over 100k worth of corals. Never thought it was the salt until One show I had a booth by Greg from Greg’s corals and he told me it was the salt and that he encountered the same exact problems I was having…. After speaking to a TON of vendors I think there was 8 big names in total that had the same issues with this salt. I was using the big bags but even switched to buckets and the problem didn’t go away. I was doing huge WC up to 50% and it kept going bad…. Switched to Red Sea blue and did just one 50% change and within 3 days things went back to normal! I knew as soon as I saw positive results within only 3 days that it was the salt . Took another few months for my corals to recover from that 4 month long mess. In all I lost out on at least 100k worth of sps colonies, plus at least 6 months in sales and growth! My lowest point in life! That was back in like 2018… I think they’ve been having issues for a while! I still use Red Sea blue bucket but even that company has issues sometimes! Had a batch a couple months ago that was sky high in phosphate… this is why I only replace water that I ship out now and only in the Frag system. All these salt companies are crap! The best way is to send off icp tests and replenish the elements used! Never seen such consistent results any other way! Anyway I could literally write a book on this topic, I don’t speak on it often because it takes me so long to type out but I could write a book on TM salt…. And another short novel on Fritz LOL you live and you learn! I just feel bad for all my clients I recommend TM too that might have lost all their corals and got out of the hobby or don’t keep sps anymore because they thought it was them and didn’t think about the salt! Glad you told your story brother!!! Everyone needs to know!!! Hard to preach when everyone praises the salt! It’s time they man up and either fix the salt or close shop! Not fair to US or the ANIMALS!!!”

Damn there are a lot of experts wherever you’re getting these quotes from. First we had the most influential reefer in the Midwest, now we have an expert that can author a book on specific salts! I’m expecting Aquaman to chime in any time now!

Side note, I wonder if Aquaman can talk to corals? It’s not like fish have vocal chords but he can talk to them. Why would corals be any different?

 

[SCUBAFreaky]

I fear that this thread might have lost it's objectiveness and productiveness. If you read through the link in post #11 you will actually learn that folks having issues with the brown residue had nothing to do with where the salt was manufactured. You will also learn that folks that actually reached out to TM received incredible customer service. It is also very evident that TM has a strong desire to determine what these issues are.

Folks are always going to bag on other salt brands that are different than the ones they use. I'm not going to say that folks that are having problems or issues with their tanks...and also use TMPR salt...aren't having problems due to the salt mix alone, but it's highly unlikely. And if you truly have had problems with TMPR salt, definitely reach out to TM. They most certainly want to help in any way they can.

My take aways here...keep using the salt that works best for you. If you're a user of TMPR salt and aren't having any sort of issues, why make a change now based on others somewhat subjective evidence? If you use TMPR salt and start having issues, reach out to TM as soon as you suspect that it might be the salt and they will help you troubleshoot your issue. And my last thought here, regardless of the brand, if you use any sort of pro or reef salt (salt mix that contains additional added salts other than NaCl), you should always make sure...I'm struggling with how to word this...make sure that the entire bucket or bag of salt is well blended before you add any of the salt to fresh water. I had a bucket (undisclosed brand) yield inconsistent batches because I just didn't know I needed to do this. I blamed the salt at first for issues it created and then it turned out to be my own error. Hard lesson to learn for something as simple as ensuring the salt is well blended. Sigh.

 

[Reefahholic]

Damn there are a lot of experts wherever you’re getting these quotes from. First we had the most influential reefer in the Midwest, now we have an expert that can author a book on specific salts! I’m expecting Aquaman to chime in any time now!

Side note, I wonder if Aquaman can talk to corals? It’s not like fish have vocal chords but he can talk to them. Why would corals be any different?

Well, you said I was vague! I’m throwing it out there now.

 

[SCUBAFreaky]

One tank has 13 supernovas, another 70ish Chicago’s, and another 13 huge csb’s.

OH MY GOSH!! You have 70ish Chicago Sunbursts?! I knew you had some, but I never dreamed you have that many! Wow, they must look amazing all together!! Not to highjack the OPs thread, but I am curious as to what your tank looks like for sure with all those nems!

 

[Reefahholic]

I fear that this thread has lost it's objectiveness and productiveness. If you read through the link in post #11 you will actually learn that folks having issues with the brown residue had nothing to do with where the salt was manufactured. You will also learn that folks that actually reached out to TM received incredible customer service. It is also very evident that TM has a strong desire to determine what these issues are.

Folks are always going to bag on other salt brands that are different than the ones they use. I'm not going to say that folks that are having problems or issues with their tanks...and also use TMPR salt...aren't having problems due to the salt mix alone, but it's highly unlikely. And if you truly have had problems with TMPR salt, definitely reach out to TM. They most certainly want to help in any way they can.

My take aways here...keep using the salt that works best for you. If you're a user of TMPR salt and aren't having any sort of issues, why make a change now based on others somewhat subjective evidence? If you use TMPR salt and start having issues, reach out to TM as soon as you suspect that it might be the salt and they will help you troubleshoot your issue. And my last thought here, regardless of the brand, if you use any sort of pro or reef salt (salt mix that contains additional added salts other than NaCl), you should always make sure...I'm struggling with how to word this...make sure that the entire bucket or bag of salt is well blended before you add any of the salt to fresh water. I had a bucket (undisclosed brand) yield inconsistent batches because I just didn't know I needed to do this. I blamed the salt at first for issues it created and then it turned out to be my own error. Hard lesson to learn for something as simple as ensuring the salt is well blended. Sigh.

Subjective? Not at all man. Too many people having the same issues and we’re not talking about newbie reefers here…we’re talking Pro’s.

I highly recommend NOT using this salt until this issue is identified and resolved. Corals are too expensive right now and it’s not worth it. Not telling anybody what to do. I’m merely trying to save your reef and animals before you find yourself in the same boat with the rest of these guys.


Again, I like TMP and Lou. I respect Lou a lot, but this is nothing personal at all. It’s literally like playing Russian roulette with your reef. If this were to get into your tank (depending what it is) it could literally ruin your rocks and sand as well and we all know how long it takes to get things shipped right now. I wouldn’t chance it.

 

[Reefahholic]

Like I said…Red Sea Blue bucket, IO, HW Reefer, etc…


This why I use IO, but also because it’s dirt cheap!

 

[Erin]

Subjective? Not at all man. Too many people having the same issues and we’re not talking about newbie reefers here…we’re talking Pro’s.

I highly recommend NOT using this salt until this issue is identified and resolved. Corals are too expensive right now and it’s not worth it. Not telling anybody what to do. I’m merely trying to save your reef and animals before you find yourself in the same boat with the rest of these guys.


Again, I like TMP and Lou. I respect Lou a lot, but this is nothing personal at all. It’s literally like playing Russian roulette with your reef. If this were to get into your tank (depending what it is) it could literally ruin your rocks and sand as well and we all know how long it takes to get things shipped right now. I wouldn’t chance it.

Apparently if you do have issues, a 10% wc is all it will take to fix things.
And your post title most definitely is telling people what to do!

 

[Reefahholic]

Apparently if you do have issues, a 10% wc is all it will take to fix things.
And your post title most definitely is telling people what to do!

Yes, by all means please do a 10% water change if you encounter any issues!

Disregard that title…Please do not stop TMP! Mix it up! Go for it!

 

[soymilk]

I found this quote earlier today

" as the most influential reefer on the west side of fresno, texas I feel like I have to chime in. TMP killed my dog and i have doubts if my son is really my own, see picture below



tmp and my son in front of him. He looks nothing like me "

 

[Cody]

I found this quote earlier today

" as the most influential reefer on the west side of fresno, texas I feel like I have to chime in. TMP killed my dog and i have doubts if my son is really my own, see picture below



tmp and my son in front of him. He looks nothing like me "

Hahaha where’d you find that review?!!

 

[BigRick]

Funny, I distinctly recall you having a reactor issue that spiked your alk around the same time... It's amazing that you go from practically broke to owning "6k worth of sps" in the blink of an eye as well.
Sorry, not sorry

It wasn't a big enough spike that the corals should have recovered. Everything was within parameters.

 

[soymilk]

Hahaha where’d you find that review?!!

- Soymilk 2022

 

[mittens]

My name is Dr. Ryan Cunningham the owner and operator of Chumminghams Reef. I am a resident physician who depends greatly on my aquaculture production for the payments of my bills. I am the best aquaculturist in the Midwest and leader in the hobby as far as aquaculturing previously impossible corals like acanthophyllia, scolymia, Trachyphyllia etc for reproduction. That is kind of what I am known for but the biggest part of my collection is made up of SPS.

As his attending physician I would severely question where Dr. Cunningham’s interests are. Does he want to be a doctor or does he want to have a fish business? Isn’t residency where you spend all your time and effort in learning as much as you can about medicine.. instead of being a regional top hobbyist and an advocate of a class action lawsuit for corals. As a patient of Dr. Cunningham’s I’d be concerned to find this level of distraction he’s allotted to his side business, instead of my broken leg. As a former student I remember being up to my eyeballs in academics and be starving as I was doing it, but then again I didn’t own a superwoman cape. I’m sure there is truth to what the gurus are saying, but all I see here is a very sparkly gold star. I’d be far more inclined to let his ramblings register if it started off with ‘I’m just trying to help’, like what the OP said.
As far as salt pricing goes, if you have thousands of $ in livestock, why not pay the extra 50 bucks if it just comes down to finances. It is the majority of substance in our tanks.
And I have a question about no water changes. How do u guys keep dust and other air particles out of your tanks? I fear the same as what would happen if I didn’t clean my house.
And I have some livestock and equipment I need to sell. Any takers?

 

[mittens]

OH MY GOSH!! You have 70ish Chicago Sunbursts?! I knew you had some, but I never dreamed you have that many! Wow, they must look amazing all together!! Not to highjack the OPs thread, but I am curious as to what your tank looks like for sure with all those nems!

I will either PM u or post on my thread. Now back to the drama.

 

[Reefahholic]

As his attending physician I would severely question where Dr. Cunningham’s interests are. Does he want to be a doctor or does he want to have a fish business? Isn’t residency where you spend all your time and effort in learning as much as you can about medicine.. instead of being a regional top hobbyist and an advocate of a class action lawsuit for corals. As a patient of Dr. Cunningham’s I’d be concerned to find this level of distraction he’s allotted to his side business, instead of my broken leg. As a former student I remember being up to my eyeballs in academics and be starving as I was doing it, but then again I didn’t own a superwoman cape. I’m sure there is truth to what the gurus are saying, but all I see here is a very sparkly gold star. I’d be far more inclined to let his ramblings register if it started off with ‘I’m just trying to help’, like what the OP said.
As far as salt pricing goes, if you have thousands of $ in livestock, why not pay the extra 50 bucks if it just comes down to finances. It is the majority of substance in our tanks.
And I have a question about no water changes. How do u guys keep dust and other air particles out of your tanks? I fear the same as what would happen if I didn’t clean my house.
And I have some livestock and equipment I need to sell. Any takers?

I don’t worry about the dust. Just anything sprayed in the house or near the tank. Also…any kind of powder products.

 

[oguzman]

No issues for me whatsoever. I have 3 separate tanks that house 3 different kinds of high end nems. High end nems are finicky and will tell you if there’s something wrong, unlike regular bta’s. One tank has 13 supernovas, another 70ish Chicago’s, and another 13 huge csb’s. They are all healthy and have been growing and now take over the entire tank to the point where I am having to sell off all of my livestock. But I am not a resident physician, or a leader in any facet of reefing, and don’t have sps so….. yea.

Ummm share the wealth ... I want a fancy nem!

 

[soymilk]

 

[mittens]

I don’t worry about the dust. Just anything sprayed in the house or near the tank. Also…any kind of powder products.

Still… 2-3 yrs of that amount of dust floating into my poor nems mouth and butt.

 

[mittens]

Ummm share the wealth ... I want a fancy nem!

Make your own wealth. I spent a lot of $ on TMP to get here.