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the idea came from a system i saw at The Pet Shop (used to be petland) in the fountains. there is a 125g? tank there that they are selling that has a lighting system set up the same way. they had it running for at least 2 years with no problems. you can go up there and take a look at it. they are selling the tank and lighting system for $2500 (i think). it used to look great but due to downsizing the fish department so that they can put in a dog grooming salon they have to get rid of it.


oh just FYI: the fish section in The Pet Shop is becoming a speciality salt water and cichlid store. so if you are interested and live in the area you might want to go take a look there. they don't have alot of stock at the momentbut that will be changing over the next 2 to 3 weeks.
 

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Well if it works I think it will be a nice cheap alternative to lighting for you. I would consult a paid eletrician/lighting person before I did decide for certain to fire it up....don't want a fire/exploding light out of the deal.

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IMO it just wont work, ballast constrict the current to the flourescent bulb, it will over power the bulb and blow it out immediatly. Most setups you see that are fl, and appear to have no ballast, just means its built into the fixture so you cant see it. A normal light works on a different principle than fl. lights. I would concult an electrician before proceeding, if it worked, there would be no ballast companies.
 

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That is my thought as well....if ballasts weren't needed then we would hear more about this type of setup...and I have never seen a flourescent light kit sold without a ballast be it a shop light or for an aquarium.

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I agree w/ the other people who have posted. I have never seen a flourescent bulb that will work w/o a ballast. All your office building use ballasts for the lighting wether you see them or not. If you canget a flourescent bulb to work w/o a ballast I would like to see it.
 

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Found on the net:

In a gas discharge, such as a fluorescent lamp, current causes resistance to decrease. This is because as more electrons and ions flow through a particular area, they bump into more atoms, which frees up electrons, creating more charged particles. In this way, current will climb on its own in a gas discharge, as long as there is adequate voltage (and household AC current has a lot of voltage). If the current in a fluorescent light isn't controlled, it can blow out the various electrical components.

A fluorescent lamp's ballast works to control this. The simplest sort of ballast, generally referred to as a magnetic ballast, works something like an inductor. A basic inductor consists of a coil of wire in a circuit, which may be wound around a piece of metal. If you've read How Electromagnets Work, you know that when you send electrical current through a wire, it generates a magnetic field. Positioning the wire in concentric loops amplifies this field.

This sort of field affects not only objects around the loop, but also the loop itself. Increasing the current in the loop increases the magnetic field, which applies a voltage opposite the flow of current in the wire. In short, a coiled length of wire in a circuit (an inductor) opposes change in the current flowing through it (see How Inductors Work for details). The transformer elements in a magnetic ballast use this principle to regulate the current in a fluorescent lamp.

A ballast can only slow down changes in current -- it can't stop them. But the alternating current powering a fluorescent light is constantly reversing itself, so the ballast only has to inhibit increasing current in a particular direction for a short amount of time. Check out this site for more information on this process.

Magnetic ballasts modulate electrical current at a relatively low cycle rate, which can cause a noticeable flicker. Magnetic ballasts may also vibrate at a low frequency. This is the source of the audible humming sound people associate with fluorescent lamps.

Modern ballast designs use advanced electronics to more precisely regulate the current flowing through the electrical circuit. Since they use a higher cycle rate, you don't generally notice a flicker or humming noise coming from an electronic ballast. Different lamps require specialized ballasts designed to maintain the specific voltage and current levels needed for varying tube designs.

Fluorescent lamps come in all shapes and sizes, but they all work on the same basic principle: An electric current stimulates mercury atoms, which causes them to release ultraviolet photons. These photons in turn stimulate a phosphor, which emits visible light photons. At the most basic level, that's all there is to it!



AND another section on a reef site:

All "gas discharge" light sources that I'm aware of require a ballast to run. Just as lead ballast gives stability to a boat, (or a balloon, or a diver), an electrical ballast controls the stable operation of a fluorescent light. Gas discharge lamps are "zero resistance" or "negative resistance" elements. As the gases inside the tube ionize, the resistance of the ionized plasma created inside the tube decreases. This will cause the resistance to approach zero while the current draw approaches infinity (theoretically - obviously, your wall outlet can't really provide infinite current).

No known metal electrode can survive the extreme amount of current that ionized gas can draw, so without a ballast to limit the current supplied, the electrodes at the end of the fluorescent tube would burn up even though the ionized plasma would survive.
 
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ok so everyone is right. thanks guys for all the help. i found another way to do the lighting. i know it sounds crazy but i am going to do my lighting with 4 2 bulb incandescent fixtures and put the new coralife PC (50/50) bulb that screws into the incandescent fixture. it will make a total of 160 watts on the tank. 20 watts per bulb. and i will still run a fan on the hood to keep the bulbs cool. i will post pics as soon as i get it completed. will probably take about 3 months to do but it will be worth it.
 

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Make sure you do something to waterproof the sockets, are you risk a fire.
 
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At 10 or 12 bucks a pop, 8 light bulbs is going to cost you $80 min. These lights make the cheap-o 10 gallon incandescent kits seem appealing ( and I have FW setup like this ) but I can find many better lighting options for this price!
 
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That light setup is going to cost you $60 for $100 you could have 150W VHO which would be much better and the color of the light would be more pleasing to the eye. Those bulbs are 6500K I use them to light my fuges and it makes it look like I have macro growing in piss.
 
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I believe that he is referring to the 20 Watt Coralife Mini Compact 50/50 Lamp which is half 10000k and half true actinic 03 blue. I have not seen them cheaper than $10 online. So his set up is approx $80 bulb only, without anything else! So with this setup the water won't look like ... Well yellowish.. There's just cheaper ways like you mentioned.
 
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I didn't realize they had bumped it up to 20W already. Back when I was thinking about lighting a tank with these they only had 9W 50/50s.

BTW here is an important thing to think about. You will have to replace your bulbs once a year. Its going to be pretty pricey with that setup.

Lighting is probally the most important thing in a reef tank why cut corners. I scoured the internet when I started in this hobby trying to find ways to cut corners. May be you save a few dollars in the front end with those bulbs but down the road it will not be as good as the other proven choices.
Secondly those bulbs do not have internal reflectors so you are losing half of the light.

You can't beat a cheap VHO set up.
WH7 Ballast $35
End Caps $15
2 x 24" Bulbs $50
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$100
 

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Tom I was just going to post that too....I came up with about 99 bucks for a 2 bulb vho setup using the wh7 ballast. You could even add a 3rd vho if you wanted to later---the ballast can handle 220 watts so 225 watts should be find but I will let the electrical guys answer to be sure

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i am getting the bulbs for $20 each. and i have all the fixtures and wiring already. the biggest thing is that i will be able to take my time on buying the bulbs. i am out of a job and now i have to fix a car. honestly it will be worth it in the fact that i can take the time and it will help me to be patient and take my time on the tank.
 
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