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OK here are my questions. I want to get a large 65 gal tank. However, before I spend all that money on everything I was wondering.... :?

I already have a 2.5 tank with a pump. I currently have saltwater in it with 2 hermit crabs that I found in Galveston. The thing is that the LFS never told me about checking the water chemicals, changing the water or any of that. I have learned about this stuff from forums and library books.

My question is would it be a good idea to set up a mini tank to practice on? I know it will be more work (so I have heard), but I figure if I could do a little tank then surely the larger tank would seem easier. :D

What all would I need to start? I have some natural coral sand substrate in the tank with some extra hermit shells and the 2 hermits of course. I also have a small sw safe decoration in there. The pump is just a pump for a 1-3 gal 1.2watt pump.

What do ya think? What else would I need to do this besides a test kit of course? How much LR would I put in it? Could I put a small fish or shrimp and snails in it?
 

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Ok, here goes my $0.02...

Not sure if starting with a 2.5 would be "easier", more like CHEAPER. :lol: With a larger volume of water (65 vs 2.5) you will have more room for error on water parameters. Also keep in mind costs for live rock, sand, salt each month, livestock, corals, etc and water (not sure if you are filtering your own or purchasing already filtered). Like everything else in this hobby, there are pro's and con's to EVERYTHING, in this case though larger versus smaller. I am pretty much in the same boat as you. I have a 3-4 month old 2.5 and am looking to set-up a larger tank in the near future. I would definately encourage starting out with the 2.5 and then upgrading down the road (this way you don't spend lots of money entering into a hobby by setting up the 65 and then find yourself frustrated when things do not go well). Keep in mind that you will have to pay close attention to the tanks needs and water quality. This is just my opinion, but i would say ditch the decoration, release the Galveston hermits you have and begin a cycle with some sand and live rock (you may even find some live sand donors here to help boost your sand along!). As for circulation/filtration goes, it all depends on how fancy you want to get. As for me, i currently have an AC mini hob filter that i converted into a fuge and that's all. I am fighting some red slime algae at the moment though and am thinking about trying to incorporate some kind of skimmer. Also when starting up your tank figure out ahead of time what you want to keep. That will help with planning costs, lighting, etc.
If there is anything else i, or we, can help you with feel free to ask. There is a lot of good information to soak up here and you can also find a world of help @ www.reefcentral.com. Good luck with the set-up, let us know how it goes!
-J

P.S.: I have a canopy i built for my 2.5 that i planned on using coralife 50/50 screw-in bulbs for, but i ended up with a PC fixture instead. It is not being used and has no lights. LMK if interested, it will soon be posted in the FS forum.
 

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I have made many mitakes with my first tank, mostly because I was trying to save money. IMO this is what I would suggest:

1. The bigger the tank the better becuase minor changes in water conditions can be detected and remedied before it affects your whole tank. You also want to think about getting a reef ready tank or an over flow box which, you will need if you decide to have a sump.

2. Let your tank cycle for at least a mounth before you put any fish in it. However, you need something to produce waste in order to produce ammonia in order to start the cycling process. Some people use damsels because they are pretty tough but, they are also agressive and hard to catch when and if you decide to take them out. I think uncured live rock is the best to cycle a tank. It is usually recomended to use at least 1lb/gal. but the more the better (more surface area).

3. After cycling add clean-up critters first like: shrimp, hermits and snails. Get some live sand with pods and other tiny critters in it. All you need is a cup full of live sand and the rest can be dead and in a few months all of your sand will be alive.

4. Get a protein skimmer. Man, can it make a difference!

5. Get a sump and put cheatomorph or other macro alge in it. IMO there is no better way to control amonia, nitrates and nitrites. Cheatomorph is better than calerpa because, calerpa will sometimes go through a phase where it leaches chemicals back into the water.

6. Use the right lighting. Depending on what kind of tank you want will set up will determine the kind of lighting you should use. I believe it is generally recomended 1watt/gal.

7. make sure you have adequate current.

8. Do as much reaserch as possible. What works for one may not work for others.

9. After cycling use Kent Marine: Liquid Reactor it will make your coraline alge grow like crazy.

All the above can be done on a cheaper basis if you do some of it your self. A lot of the stuff I use is made of everyday household products. They work fine and are a fraction of the cost. Again however this has been my experience. People who have had their tanks much longer than I have gave me advice some good some worthless. Things several people agree on, are usually safe bets.

Anyway I hope I was of some help. Excuse me if I repeat anything someone else already said or info you already know. Also pardon my spelin it be mighty late.

Best of Luck! :D
 

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I forgot to mention there are lots of stuff you can get from the gulf like: pepermint shrimp, porcelin crabs, pipe fish, cling fish, mlloy blennies, sargasm srimp, sargasm anglers (very cool, eats everything alive it can fit in its mouth), sargasm nudibranchs, glow in the dark pods (at least they appear to), ghost srimp and much more.
 
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Damsel in tank now

Well I got the tank set up and the lfs told me that the lr would start the cycle. Well my water still tests perfect. Another forum told me that the cycle must not have ever gotten started :? So I went to another LFS and they sold me a Damsel to start the cycle. Now my question is when do I test the water again?

I have test strips so I am hoping these are ok to use. When I take the water the the lfs they use strips, so I figure it is. Since this is a 2.5 tank do I need to do water changes during the cycle or just top off? :?
 
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Welcome to the hobby! It sounds like you have a lot of questions. First of all the damsel is unneccesary to cycle the tank and really is too big for that tank. I would be very careful listening to the LFS about choices for your tank.

Starting with a 2.5 is much more difficult, but TONS cheaper than a 65. One of the most important things will be an auto-top off device so that your salinity stays stable.

Since you are just started, I suggest READING tons of info. A good start is here on MARSH:

http://www.marshreef.com/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=19

You might also find useful information in my RC thread:

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=659899&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

Page 3 has an auto-top off diagram and explanation.

Of particular interest is this list I wrote:
http://www.epinions.com/content_4447641732

Hope this helps and welcome to the hobby!

Brian
 
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