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Alright, I’ve started to build a new sump, and I thought folks here would appreciate a little information of the build. Maybe it will even inspire someone to try building something on their own. This is the second sump that I’ve built, and I’m hoping it will turn out a little better than my first attempt. The first one I built is still in use and works great, but it’s got a few gnarly seams.

Well step 1, clearly, is buying acrylic. I’ve purchased from Professional Plastics before, and they are closer to my house than some of the other options (Regal), so I decided to go with them again. As long as you call first, they are very accommodating. I got a quote for a full sheet (48” x 96”) at $100. I didn’t shop around, so I have no idea if that’s a good price. BUT, I drive a Subaru Wagon, and they kindly ripped it a few times so I could get it in my car (no charge). I had two pieces cut at 37” by 48”, and then whatever was left over (one piece about 22” x 48”).


Another thing, when I called, they asked me if film-masked was ok. In haste I said yes, but I would much prefer and recommend paper-masked. The product I chose was clear 1/4” Acrylite FF (though it’s actually about 0.22” thick).

I actually own the majority of the products that I want to put in the sump, so I designed it to accommodate the sizes and requirements of the hardware I plan on using. Most specifically, I have a Euro-Reef CS250 skimmer, and I wanted it to fit with ease in the sump. That restricts the water height to about 8” in the skimmer/return section. Also, I want to be able to remove the sump to clean it, and the opening on the side of the stand will be about 19” wide, so I decided to restrict the sump width to about 18”. Based on all this, I decided that the sump would be 37” x 18” x 18” I drew it up in paint to get a good idea of how things would fit, and here is that image (although I am an engineer, I know absolutely nothing about CAD programs, so I use paint at 10 pixels per inch):

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Once I got the dimensions figured out, I tried to lay it out to maximize the space on the acrylic sheet. Again, paint to the rescue. Sorry that there are not any numbered dimensions on the pictures, but you can use the pixel tracker on the bottom right of Paint while you’re building your pictures. Normally I print them out and write out dimensions to have before cutting the acrylic. Don't laugh at me, it works! Here was my take at that.


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So once I got that figured out, it was time to start cutting. The main problem I had during the last build was that I assumed my table saw fence was parallel. It was not, by about 1/8”. This is hard to see, so I recommend checking your tools before using them. I measured each end of the fence before making cuts, and I secured the back side of the fence with the retaining screw. It’s a little more overhead, but with a cheaper table saw that I own, it’s a necessity. Here’s a shot of the saw, a Riobi 3100.



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I’ve seen some folks recommend some relatively expensive plastics blades for cutting this material (upwards of $100), but for low volume projects such as mine, I decided to just use an $8 dewalt plastics/laminates blade. I got it at home depot, and it’s 7 1/4” with 70 teeth. It may be less clean than cutting with the more expensive blade, but I couldn’t justify the cost difference.

I had to take the anti-kickback feature off the saw, which I don’t really care to do (I’ve had a 2” square piece of wood slap me in the face before, which required a trip to the ER). Unfortunately, it’s not great for use with plastics, so I didn’t have much of a choice. When making cuts, what I made sure to do was stand to the side of the saw and pull the material across my body from side to side. This eliminates getting spewed with scalding acrylic dust as well as makes it easier to ensure that the acrylic stays flush against the fence.



So, here is the acrylic after I made all the cuts. I need to clean up 2 spots where the edges are a little bit gouged, and hopefully that will be done this week. More updates to follow



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you cant write on the film-masked very well to mark your cuts. About the only thing that will write on it is marker (sharpie), and that a pretty thick line. You can use a pencil with the paper-masked, so it's much easier to know where you're cutting. For this project, so far i've relied solely on the table saw fence when making cuts, which is a little risky. Fortunately, I've done ok.
 

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Yes the paper masked is WAY better IMO. It also seems to give a better cut I like using the Acrylite brand.

It protects alot better also the plastic tends to start pealing off on the edges.
 

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Has anybody else noticed that there is something wrong with the pictures?


The garage is TOOOO clean!! And there is room to work!
 

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Parking in a garage???? Are you crazy?!?!?! Iv never herd of such a thing :D :D :D

1/2 of my garage is my water change system for the tank the other half consists of old salt buckets and stryo shipping containers haha
 

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LOL i can agree with the garage thing, after we cleaned up tonight i could probably park a golf cart in it!!!! before all we had was a 1 foot wide path to walk....
 
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chris that is looking good. the next sump that i get will be one that i make. so i think i'm going to hit you up for some ideas and some knowledge if you don't mind. where is regal plastics i just bought some pieces from aeroshield and that was on the other side of town. if there is a place closer i would love that.

what is the gallon for that sump?
 
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Minh -

Regal is up off I-10 towards Katy, I've never been to that store. Professional Plastics, however, is in Stafford right off the Beltway near 59 (south, not near the airport). It's not close, but I dont know another place that carries acrylite.

The sump will have a capacity to hold about 50 gallons, but the working level will be closer to about 23 gallons.
 
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Regal is like the 1st or 2nd exit west of the loop it is on Wirt Rd then north you will see it on your right about a mile or so.
 
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Well I got a little more work done over the last 2 days. I cleaned up a few of the edges with 220 grit sand paper, and got to cementing. You’ll see that I’ve followed quite a bit of the same process as Marc has on his webpage (www.melevsreef.com), and hopefully he won’t notice my build or critique me too harshly. As you are about to see, I assembled it a little differently than Marc shows. I’m not sure if there is a better way to do it (if I had to choose which was better, I’d probably pick Marc’s method), but my biggest concern was the water-tightness of the sump. With that in mind, I wanted to first attach the outside walls to the base of the sump. Marc shows first attaching the internal baffles, side walls, etc., on the front (or back panel, it doesn’t matter), then attaching the back panel (or front panel), then attaching the whole stack to the base. The beauty of that method is that any discrepancies in the widths of the baffles can be overcome when you are attaching it. My main concern with this method is that, when attaching the bottom, you may have some high/low points in all the various panels (front, back, sides, baffles, etc). Seeing as I am not exactly experienced in acrylic work, I prefer to attach each piece to the base one at a time. The problem with this is that you have to cut (or trim) your baffles/side walls to ensure a perfect fit. This may take a little more time, but I felt more confident in the fidelity of my build. Anyways, here are a few things that I’ve done.

First, I attached the front and back walls to the base of the sump. Much like you’ll see on Marc’s website, I use some of the plastic squares to hold the wall in place, and I’ve cut the corners off so they don’t interfere with the seam. I also used some wire that I bought for hanging a frame to separate the 2 pieces before attachment, but the gauge I have is a little too thick. If you got something thin, I’m sure it would work quite well (and it’s cheap). I also had a number of shims on hand to secure the seam once the weld-on was in place. Here is a shot of the set-up.

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What I did was place the wires between the 2 pieces of acrylic and place shims under the acrylic directly under the wires. Obviously you have to peel back some of the film to make the attachment, but you only have to peel it back on the base. It can be left on the side which has the edge to be attached. With a needle tip applicator, I run weld-on 4 through the seam, wait for about 30 seconds, then start pulling the needles out. As I do that, I wedge the shims under to put some pressure on the seam, hopefully getting most of the air bubbles out. I’m not great at this, so there always seem to be a few bubbles remaining. Once, I get all the wires out, I typically run some more weld-on in the seam, mostly to eliminate any bubbles that I see. After I finished this side, I let it sit for about 30 minutes, then I did the other side, repeating the same process. Here is a shot as I was prepping the other side.

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Once I finish the other side, again I let it sit for about 30 minutes. Then, I flipped the whole thing upside down and put some weight on it. It’s a little unstable, so I put some of the pre-cut baffles on the inside and strapped it low. Then, I just let this sit overnight. Probably longer than you necessary, but it was a good stopping place.

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hey chris is it just me or is that skimmer in the back ground about 5 foot tall. i thought you next tank was a 150g. that is going to bqe over kill for a skimmer isn't it?...lol.
 
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Thanks, Marc! Maybe I’ll confuse people well enough that they’ll all want to make it to the January meeting for you to set them straight…

Well I’ve gotten a lot more done over the last few days, but I haven’t written it out. Here’s all the work that I did on the second day of the build. Now that I had the front and back walls in place, I dry fit the side walls to ensure they were the right size. I don’t think I mentioned this earlier, but when cementing the front/back walls in place, it’s good not to put them right on the edge of the base. For a good fit, I put them a little on the inside of the base edge. By doing this, I ensure that the entirety of the wall edge will be cemented, but it screws up your calculated dimensions a little. So when I did a dry fit, I noticed that the side walls were just a hair long. There are a couple of ways I had available to trim them to fit; first was a jointer. This would have been a good idea, as it would have given a nice straight edge, but I was nervous that it would take off more material than I wanted. Second would have been a router. I could have clamped all the panels together, then clamped a straight edge to the panels in the right spot so that I could just run the router across. But, I ultimately just set up the table saw the exact dimension and trimmed off the excess with that. It worked, and it was the least amount of setup time. Here is a picture after I got the first side trimmed and ready for cementing.

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Same process here in terms of shims/needles/weld-on, and I was only doing the bottom seam. The vertical seams would be done the next day. So, once I got that side done, I put some weight on it and went to the next side. Here it is after I weld-on has been put in the seam.

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The other side is the same story. I trimmed it to fit, worked the same method, then put some weight on it and left it alone for about 30 minutes. After the thirty minutes was up, I wanted to flip it upside down for it to set overnight. The trick here is that I wanted all the weight to be transmitted through the side panels, and not through the front/back walls. To do this, I put a couple of long pieces of wood (1” x 2” pieces) on the workbench and placed them so that they would support the side walls. Then I put some more weight on the base (to help put pressure on the seam of the side walls).

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Again, it is still a little unstable because the vertical seams haven’t been done yet, so I put a strap in place to make sure it didn’t fall apart over the night. And that’s about it for day 2. Total working time was about 25 minutes (not including the 30 minute wait).
 
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The next day, I went ahead and joined the vertical seams of the sump. To start, I laid the sump on its side and slid some shims under the edge. I followed the same process again, and because I trimmed it before I put it in place, the seams lined up really well. One thing to remember here is that, towards the base, you don’t really have the ability to slip a wire inside the seam. This should not be a big deal, as you should not have much trouble getting the weld-on 4 (or needle from the applicator) in the seam to get it sealed, but it may be a little tricky. What I noticed was that, when joining the bottom seam, some of the solvent starts into the vertical seam. This should have zero impact, but we’ll find out when it comes to a leak check. Here is a shot of the prep of the first seam.

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And the other side…

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So after I did these sides, I put a bunch of weight on the top and let it sit for about 30 minutes. Again, 30 minutes should be enough time for the seam to get strong enough to flip the project over. So, after the time passed, I flipped it over and did the other side in the same manner. I made one mistake, however; I think I spilled some solvent onto one of the shims, and it soaked into the wood. Unfortunately, the solvent softened the acrylic and some pieces of the wood shim got sucked into the back wall of the sump. So, lesson learned is that you should clean up any spilled or excess solvent. I’ll try to get pictures later on, but I don’t have any available right now.

The next day, I got the baffles ready for installation. First step was routing the refugium baffle. I am a little lazy, and while I want the sump to turn out nicely, I don’t really like building templates, so I just did this by hand. I clamped the baffle down to the table with a 1x2 against the edge so I could control how far back the router went. I used a ½” round bit. I wanted the water level here to be about 10”, so I routed about 1.25” off the 11” baffle. It seemed to work out well. Here are a couple of shots.

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You can tell it was done by hand, but it’s not bad and will work well enough. Once that was done, I was ready to do start gluing the baffles in place. I figured out the dimensions of the hardware that I am going to use with the new tank and determined the distances for the baffles. Once I figured that out, I marked those distances on both the front and back walls so I could have something to line up with. At this point, putting wires between the seam is not very practical, and so I just lined it up and ran the solvent in place. I was able to see through the film to ensure that the seam was lacking air-bubbles, which made me confident that they would work. Maybe that is the first plus of using film-backed acrylic. Again, I did one side, put weight on it, and allowed it to set for 30 minutes before flipping it over and doing the other side. What you’ll notice later is that I left out one of the three baffles for the bubble-trap. I did this so that I would be able to reach the seam of the middle baffle with the applicator. One thing I forgot to do was pull the film off those baffles, but they are 2 inches apart so I should be able to get it off by hand. Another thing I would make certain of doing is making sure the baffles are seated on the base before the first seam has time to set. That was all for that day; I only bothered with the vertical seams of the baffles. Base seams and the other baffle were worked on later. Here’s a shot of it setting.

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You need to remove the blue film where you glue, or the solvent will wick up under it and mar the finish. Sort of like your spill on the wooden shim.

None of the baffles have film on them when they are glued in place, nor do the end pieces.
 
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Marc... so wise! I took a look around some of the edges, and while not terrible, there are a few spots that are a little "tainted". I'll try to polish them where i can (i've got an awesome butane soldering iron that i've used in the past). I thought i read somewhere that you didnt have to remove the film, but i couldnt find where i read that.

Me = a little ignorant
 

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How much would you charge to come clean out my garage like that? We think we lost one of our children in there back in 2004.
 
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