Flame problem (1 Viewer)

[Guest]

I wasn't worried about this; I was just going to watch it and decide on a direction to take.

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=172a9b66c280aa7b62ad53715eb35bd5&threadid=450131

^^ then that guy frightened the crap out of me. Any opinions?

 

[Wildfire]

Does YOUR flame have these bumps? Please tell me that you've got a QT and that your new flame angel is sitting idly in it.....

 

[Guest]

Its my thread at RC about my flame. As I mentioned there, I can move the fish to QT if its needed.

The problem is identifying the issue and treating it, which would have been the problem regardless of the fish's location.

 

[Cakepro]

Hah, call John or Kenny and see if 95% of their flame angels die. Sounds like crap to me.

Watch, wait, & treat topically with garlic, would be my advice. QT and treat with medication if he worsens, give thanks if he gets better.

 

[Guest]

I'm thinking about adding some fresh garlic to the tank. Is there a rough amount per gallon I should use? Just the juice, or the minced pieces?

I'm gonna go ahead and put water in the QT I guess. Thanks for the help Cakepro!

 

[Cakepro]

Well, I always add 6 to 8 cloves of fresh garlic to my 75 gallon tank. Once I added that much to a 20 gallon and killed the poor little gobies I was trying to treat, so the garlic can definitely be overdosed. I mince the garlic as finely as I can and then add it to about a cup of tank water. I let it soak in the tank water for about 20 minutes and then I pour the liquid into the tank through a fine mesh strainer.

What size tank do you have, and what size sump/fuge? Does your angel glance off of rocks and the sandbed like the bumps are bothering him? Have you ruled out ich and think it's something else?

 

[djreef]

What you're witnessing is a secondary bacterial infection from puncture wounds inflicted on the animal during decompression. Since these guys are being pulled from deeper and deeper waters the divers puncture the fish's swimbladder with a hyperdermic needle to avoid prolonged decompression by slow ascension. Mukluk usually can't hold his breath that long, so he pierces the swimbladder to relieve the pressure, thus allowing him to bring the animal directly to the surface without rupturing the bladder internally, and killing it. You can imagine the problems that might arise from using the same needle to decompress every fish you've caught for the last 3 days. Infectionarama! So -- quarantine the fish, and hit him with antibiotics. It's his only hope.

DJ
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[Guest]

Well, I always add 6 to 8 cloves of fresh garlic to my 75 gallon tank. Once I added that much to a 20 gallon and killed the poor little gobies I was trying to treat, so the garlic can definitely be overdosed. I mince the garlic as finely as I can and then add it to about a cup of tank water. I let it soak in the tank water for about 20 minutes and then I pour the liquid into the tank through a fine mesh strainer.

What size tank do you have, and what size sump/fuge? Does your angel glance off of rocks and the sandbed like the bumps are bothering him? Have you ruled out ich and think it's something else?

I have not ruled out Ich totally, but I don't think it is. The fish picks at the rocks and sand like a normal angle, but he doesn't seem to be bothered by the spots yet. My tank is a 29 gallon display with about five gallons of sump volume.

 

[Guest]

What you're witnessing is a secondary bacterial infection from puncture wounds inflicted on the animal during decompression. Since these guys are being pulled from deeper and deeper waters the divers puncture the fish's swimbladder with a hyperdermic needle to avoid prolonged decompression by slow ascension. Mukluk usually can't hold his breath that long, so he pierces the swimbladder to relieve the pressure, thus allowing him to bring the animal directly to the surface without rupturing the bladder internally, and killing it. You can imagine the problems that might arise from using the same needle to decompress every fish you've caught for the last 3 days. Infectionarama! So -- quarantine the fish, and hit him with antibiotics. It's his only hope.

DJ
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That's fascinating! And I thought I felt bad for buying my first wild caught fish...

Are there any antibiotics that are reef safe, or should I prep the QT tank?

EDIT: Mind if I copy/paste your post to RC for the future reference of a larger community?

 

[djreef]

I'd prep the quarantine tank. It'll be easier to monitor the dosages outside the system. I've had good luck with Nitrofurazone - turns the water green. Not something you'd want to stain your main tank with. Besides antibiotics don't dis criminate which bacteria they kill. You'd end up throwing your system out of whack.

If the fish appears to be acting normally - eating, picking, beating on the others, etc - then he may fight the infection off all by himself. You'd have to make a judgement call there as to therapy.

You may post me to RC.

DJ

 

[Guest]

White bumps could also be Lymphocystis.
Are the bumps spreading? I know that angels in general come down with Lymphocystis quite often after being shipped or introduced into a new tank. Lymphocystis is a self limmitting disease in most cases, It just gets bad when it gets on the gills, blocks mouth or there is a secondary infection. If it is Lymphocystis you shouldn't stress your fish out because it will spread even faster.
Mike

 

[Guest]

I'm pretty sure its Ich now. The larger bumps are gone, but he now has a fine white powder coating. Are there any reef safe remedies? I can pull him out, but i'd hate to stress him more...

 

[Guest]

Most people say fresh chopped or minced garlic, that is what we use at work if we do anything at all.
Mike