tdmiata
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Is it legal to own a pre-1986 AK-47?
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SVVAD
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you need a license.
tdmiata
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SVVAD said:
are we talking about the CHL license?
Not for an AK... The CHL is for handguns
You need an FFL and permission from the ATF to transfer ownership of a pre-86, therefor fully automatic, AK-47. However, it is my firm belief that a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
I read that somewhere once and cant get it out of my head, lol!
Specific to the topic at hand would be the shall not be infringed part!
You need an FFL and permission from the ATF to transfer ownership of a pre-86, therefor fully automatic, AK-47. However, it is my firm belief that a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
I read that somewhere once and cant get it out of my head, lol!
Specific to the topic at hand would be the shall not be infringed part!
Scott said:
word!
tdmiata
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Thanks Scott..
Scott said:
Free State? Move your azz and you will get zapped. I'm glad we have a government in place where they control these crazy maniacs. Don't get me wrong...I love guns but there is a limit for everything.
My biggest problem with it is that they are slowly eroding away that right. It was illegal to OWN a gun in the District of Columbia, until a recent home invasion case caused it to be overturned. If we as citizens dont draw the line on our rights somewhere they will eventually remove them.
And I agree with you that there is no need for a full-auto weapon in civilian hands, assuming that is your stance. But its not up to me or the law-makers to decide the limits of someone elses rights until that person is infringing on the rights of someone else. I dont see a need for the pre-86 AK but if a law-abiding citizen wants to own one I dont think anyone has the right to tell them no.
George Washington said, and Im paraphrasing, that a free people ought not only be armed with sufficient guns and ammunition to protect themselves from those who might abuse them, including their own government.
I can find the exact quote but the important thing is that even our founding fathers knew the importance of it. My fear is that the day will come when the free people of our country wont be able to protect themselves. We just have to be cautious.
George Washington said, and Im paraphrasing, that a free people ought not only be armed with sufficient guns and ammunition to protect themselves from those who might abuse them, including their own government.
I can find the exact quote but the important thing is that even our founding fathers knew the importance of it. My fear is that the day will come when the free people of our country wont be able to protect themselves. We just have to be cautious.
tdmiata
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Scott said:
I fear handgun will be insufficient in protecting my family and property. Only advantage I have over these thugs will be something that can take them out in seconds..
tdmiata
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RR-MAN said:
Come on man, I'm a marsh member which should eliminates me from the crazies and maniacs you alluded to..
tdmiata said:
I have complete faith in my abilities to kill but I grew up with guns and was trained further by the military and Blackwater so that is a detail I overlooked. To me that is a more than reasonable cause to want a means of protection that others deem excessive. Then again, if my home is invaded by more than 7 people then you may stand a better chance than I do. 15 rds, Double Tap!! :deadly:
The problem with legislation is that if someone is going to commit a crime, thereby breaking one or more laws, they aren't going to change their minds because of yet another law only because it governs the method they choose to use to break the other law(s).
tdmiata said:Come on man, I'm a marsh member which should eliminates me from the crazies and maniacs you alluded to..
I wish that were acceptable criteria... I'm one of the crazies! jk, hehe
julio
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yes you can own a pre ban ar-15 legally without a special license but selector switch cant work and your going to pay for it. pre bans are more desirable and valuable bcuz they have the selector switch that allows for semi, 3 round burst and full auto. although pre ban civilian models have the selector switch they are inoperable unless machined or a full auto drop in trigger assembly is used but you will need a ffl and have it registered. government and military versions still have the selector switch that works. the post ban civilian models have a fire and safe only selector switch, they can be made full auto fairly easy but dont ask me how i know..its highly illegal.
ive owned a few ar's in the past
ive owned a few ar's in the past
SVVAD
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Nothing wrong with a little bump shooting
Mark L.
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Owning a pre '86 AK-47 or any class 3 weapon is legal and fairly easy to do. You need to find a class 3 dealer That will help you with filling out the paper work and submitting it. There is no "license" per se that you have to have.
The ATF is a tax agency. They require each and every class 3 weapon to have a tax stamp. When you fill out the paper work you pay $200 for this tax stamp. It is a 1 time tax per weapon. You MUST keep this stamp [looks like a large postage stamp] with the weapon at all times.
That's really about it. Fill out tax/background paperwork, pay $200 for tax stamp, buy class 3 weapon. Operator's Edge in the Woodlands deals in a lot of class 3 firearms and they are a great group of guys. They have helped me quite a bit.
On a side note, part of the process/paperwork is to get your local sheriff to OK your purchase of a class 3 weapon. Yes that is right, it is up to your sheriff if you get to buy one or not. Myself and a lot of others find this to be Bullsh... There is a way to purchase class 3 weapons and not have to worry about your local sheriff ok'ing your purchase. You can set up an NFA gun trust. Here's a great website that will answer any question you have about them and also help you find a lawyer to do your paperwork....
http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/states/texas/
I recommend contacting Sean Cody. He's a gun trust Lawyer and avid firearms collector/shooter. He also shops and works with Operator's Edge also. Here's his info....
http://www.texasnfatrust.com/
Hope this helps. There's also some cool class 3 groups around Houston that get together and shoot. Once you own a class 3 you can join. The guys are awesome and everyone shares their guns.
The ATF is a tax agency. They require each and every class 3 weapon to have a tax stamp. When you fill out the paper work you pay $200 for this tax stamp. It is a 1 time tax per weapon. You MUST keep this stamp [looks like a large postage stamp] with the weapon at all times.
That's really about it. Fill out tax/background paperwork, pay $200 for tax stamp, buy class 3 weapon. Operator's Edge in the Woodlands deals in a lot of class 3 firearms and they are a great group of guys. They have helped me quite a bit.
On a side note, part of the process/paperwork is to get your local sheriff to OK your purchase of a class 3 weapon. Yes that is right, it is up to your sheriff if you get to buy one or not. Myself and a lot of others find this to be Bullsh... There is a way to purchase class 3 weapons and not have to worry about your local sheriff ok'ing your purchase. You can set up an NFA gun trust. Here's a great website that will answer any question you have about them and also help you find a lawyer to do your paperwork....
http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/states/texas/
I recommend contacting Sean Cody. He's a gun trust Lawyer and avid firearms collector/shooter. He also shops and works with Operator's Edge also. Here's his info....
http://www.texasnfatrust.com/
Hope this helps. There's also some cool class 3 groups around Houston that get together and shoot. Once you own a class 3 you can join. The guys are awesome and everyone shares their guns.
tdmiata
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Awesome info, thank you Bad_LS1..
Mark L.
Moved On
tdmiata said:
No problem. I strongly believe in our 2nd amendment rights and feel every law abiding citizen should exercise their right in owning any and all firearms.
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RocketSurgeon
Bad_LS1 said:tdmiata said:
No problem. I strongly believe in our 2nd amendment rights and feel every law abiding citizen should exercise their right in owning any and all firearms.
the problem i have, is when some knucklehead shoots someone over roofing shingles and says, i didn't want to hurt anyone. what did they think was going to happen when they pulled that trigger? they hear a loud noise and that was it?
I have no sympathy for anyone running from the law and they get tased or shot dead. All they had to do was stop.
I also have no sympathy for someone that "accidentally" kills someone when neighbors are arguing over their children making too much noise in the driveway. What did they think was going to happen when they brought out a loaded gun and pulled the trigger?
It's always the handful of IDIOTS that don't think that ruin it for the average citizen.
Mark L.
Moved On
RocketSurgeon said:Bad_LS1 said:tdmiata said:
No problem. I strongly believe in our 2nd amendment rights and feel every law abiding citizen should exercise their right in owning any and all firearms.
the problem i have, is when some knucklehead shoots someone over roofing shingles and says, i didn't want to hurt anyone. what did they think was going to happen when they pulled that trigger? they hear a loud noise and that was it?
I have no sympathy for anyone running from the law and they get tased or shot dead. All they had to do was stop.
I also have no sympathy for someone that "accidentally" kills someone when neighbors are arguing over their children making too much noise in the driveway. What did they think was going to happen when they brought out a loaded gun and pulled the trigger?
It's always the handful of IDIOTS that don't think that ruin it for the average citizen.
I think what they mean is they didn't want to hurt anyone but they were forced to because someone was stealing their property. I don't want to hurt anyone either but I will to protect my family and property.
There will always be idiots out there and that is why I said law abiding citizens. It is against the law to run from the police and brandish a weapon in an argument about children. They deserve what is coming to them. I don't think law abiding citizens should be punished because of the idiots out there. Punish them to fullest extent of the law and don't tread on my rights.
