ATXacrofarmer 215-gallon SPS tank (1 Viewer)

[RR-MAN]

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[Reefahholic]

Snake oil!!

That turd! HE WOULDN'T!!!!!


What's the best amino's. I'm fixing to order!!

 

[FarmerTy]

Snake oil!!

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Care to expound on the opinions gentlemen? I'm a born skeptic myself, which is probably why I ended up in the career I did for 10 years. Curious as to your opinions on the matter of dosing amino acids in a reef tank? Why do you believe it is snake oil?

 

[Reefahholic]

Care to expound on the opinions gentlemen? I'm a born skeptic myself, which is probably why I ended up in the career I did for 10 years. Curious as to your opinions on the matter of dosing amino acids in a reef tank? Why do you believe it is snake oil?

I don't think they were saying dosing amino's is snake oil. I think they were saying Julian Sprungs Acro Power is snake oil???

 

[FarmerTy]

Shot a video of the fish back in the tank. I'm still working on painting the background so ignore the cables. Sorry so blue, I'm still new to shooting video under LEDs.

FarmerTy Fish Population - YouTube

 

[Reefahholic]

Very nice fish collection!

 

[FarmerTy]

That's weird, the youtube video is embedded on tapatalk but not on the regular website. I'll have to figure this forum posting business out a little better.

 

[Reefahholic]

When you do, please let me know. I would like to embed my videos as well.

 

[Diesel]

That turd! HE WOULDN'T!!!!!


What's the best amino's. I'm fixing to order!!

You asking for the best............... FISH POOP!!

 

[Diesel]

My rainbow anemones were nothing in comparison so I got rid of them.

I don't have any currently available. The one I do have is already sold.

They do fetch quite the price so not for everyone I'd say. You'd have to be an anemone person to want to pay fair market on them.

What is a fair market price for your sunburst?

 

[FarmerTy]

What is a fair market price for your sunburst?

I've been selling them at $400 Diesel and I have a slew of people waiting for a split. For full disclosure, I bought it for $450 at Elite Reefs in Denver.

 

[FarmerTy]

Interesting thing was when I first brought it back, I almost lost it. It came down with a really bad bacterial infection within the first two weeks in my system, very similar to magnificas anemones.

I treated it the same as a magnifica, dosed cipro every day for a week and it recovered nicely. Not sure if the strain of anemone is prone to bacterial infections like magnificas but that nipped it in the bud and I haven't had a problem since.

 

[Diesel]

Care to expound on the opinions gentlemen? I'm a born skeptic myself, which is probably why I ended up in the career I did for 10 years. Curious as to your opinions on the matter of dosing amino acids in a reef tank? Why do you believe it is snake oil?

Opinions only matter if you believe in them.
I have ran in the years many solutions on tanks, never I've tried to re-invent the wheel what so ever as my time is valuable in so many ways.
From ZEO to the Fauna system and will give it a shot for a few years on the full Triton on my new build.
I had a very large thread about Coral-Crack AKA Acropower on R2R and talking to many well known respected hobbyist we all agreed on that if you keep Po4 and No3 in balance you don't need that snake oil.
If you strip your tank with all kinds of nutrient reducing products or equipment why dose that stuff if it is already in your tank.
There isn't a test kit for AA so how you know you need to dose?
I ran a frag tank with just only corals in there and within a month slow bleaching of color was noticeable, with no livestock you know it's going to happen.
Now I could drum up all kinds of awesome bottles and make that tank bling........ that would be awesome but against all odds from lots of media driven hobbyist I just start dosing the stuff that my DT was exporting......... the good old stinky skimmate, I just had to find the balance as I started slow but after 6 weeks that frag tank looked great.
Many have seen it in the frag room and now Mario (Malira) is using it to battle his AEFW problem.
I have tried AA from many manufactures on my DT for months and the Acropower for 14 months as Julian gave a box of a dozen bottles as long I did started a thread on R2R.

Power-up your Acro's.......... | REEF2REEF Saltwater and Reef Aquarium Forum
Here you go knock your self out

 

[Diesel]

I don't think they were saying dosing amino's is snake oil. I think they were saying Julian Sprungs Acro Power is snake oil???

No I'm saying AA is snake oil, as in purple up is snake oil too.

 

[Diesel]

I've been selling them at $400 Diesel and I have a slew of people waiting for a split. For full disclosure, I bought it for $450 at Elite Reefs in Denver.

Awesome, have a few of these too in a cube and lately they have been splitting like crazy.
I got mine from Mike SC as a BD gift two years ago, it just showed up on my door step, Crazy Mike!
Never had any attempt to put a price on it as I'm not a nem dude, gave some away too.
But that my future new build is just going overboard and I'm planning to pay for it just from selling of my frags.

 

[FarmerTy]

I'll never knock your experience as you've shown you are more than capable of growing corals. I will just agree to disagree on aminos.

Hard science has shown an ability for corals to uptake amino acids via absorption and that's why I use it. Honestly, between what corals manufacture themselves between them and their coral symbionts, what is supplied via normal fish feeding, and fish poop, you're probably getting plenty.

Nonetheless, AA's are rapidly utilized by bacteria so it really doesn't matter for you to test, it's like taking a daily vitamin supplement, your body will use what it can absorb, and the rest will flush out of your system. Obviously don't take 20 vitamin pills a day or that could lead to problems. Same thing with AA's in my opinion. That's why I dose 2x/week regardless of the manufacturers instructions, that way what isn't absorbed will be readily uptaken by bacteria and skimmed out in the process. No testing needed.

When I removed my fish to go fallow, my acros went pale from nutrition. No new science there, no nutrients equals pale colors. Technology has gotten so good these days that we're stripping the water, hence all the nitrate dosing threads that have come up lately. Who would have thought people would be putting back in nitrates these days!

Comparing purple up and aminos is just silly in my opinion. We all know purple up is just fine calcium carbonate powder in a suspension, maybe some Mg, alk, and whatever else is in it. Aminos are the basic building blocks of life... And here's an actual scientific experiment documenting the absorption of aminos.

Coral Nutrition, Part Three: Amino Acids and Comments on Amino Acid Supplements — Advanced Aquarist | Aquarist Magazine and Blog

The hardest part of this hobby sometimes is to wade through all the anecdotal stories of success and failure. I always key in on the hard science and use that as my guide, as I'm sure you do too else you wouldn't have such a successful tank. I always do have an ear open for hobbyist experiments as some major breakthroughs in husbandry have come from just simple experiments at home on their own systems.

 

[FarmerTy]

Awesome, have a few of these too in a cube and lately they have been splitting like crazy.
I got mine from Mike SC as a BD gift two years ago, it just showed up on my door step, Crazy Mike!
Never had any attempt to put a price on it as I'm not a nem dude, gave some away too.
But that my future new build is just going overboard and I'm planning to pay for it just from selling of my frags.

That's all I do these days, use frags to fund my new reef toys! My wife made me buy new windows for the house though from the money I made at the last swap in San Antonio. [emoji53] She's on to me!

 

[Diesel]

I'll never knock your experience as you've shown you are more than capable of growing corals. I will just agree to disagree on aminos.

Hard science has shown an ability for corals to uptake amino acids via absorption and that's why I use it. Honestly, between what corals manufacture themselves between them and their coral symbionts, what is supplied via normal fish feeding, and fish poop, you're probably getting plenty.

Nonetheless, AA's are rapidly utilized by bacteria so it really doesn't matter for you to test, it's like taking a daily vitamin supplement, your body will use what it can absorb, and the rest will flush out of your system. Obviously don't take 20 vitamin pills a day or that could lead to problems. Same thing with AA's in my opinion. That's why I dose 2x/week regardless of the manufacturers instructions, that way what isn't absorbed will be readily uptaken by bacteria and skimmed out in the process. No testing needed.

When I removed my fish to go fallow, my acros went pale from nutrition. No new science there, no nutrients equals pale colors. Technology has gotten so good these days that we're stripping the water, hence all the nitrate dosing threads that have come up lately. Who would have thought people would be putting back in nitrates these days!

Comparing purple up and aminos is just silly in my opinion. We all know purple up is just fine calcium carbonate powder in a suspension, maybe some Mg, alk, and whatever else is in it. Aminos are the basic building blocks of life... And here's an actual scientific experiment documenting the absorption of aminos.

Coral Nutrition, Part Three: Amino Acids and Comments on Amino Acid Supplements — Advanced Aquarist | Aquarist Magazine and Blog

The hardest part of this hobby sometimes is to wade through all the anecdotal stories of success and failure. I always key in on the hard science and use that as my guide, as I'm sure you do too else you wouldn't have such a successful tank. I always do have an ear open for hobbyist experiments as some major breakthroughs in husbandry have come from just simple experiments at home on their own systems.

It comes down to one thing and one thing only, if everybody is doing what I'm or you're doing this hobby is to become the most boring hobby.
There are many success stories but also a lot of disasters out there, using common sense about how nature works in a glass box is all to it.
Comparing with a reef or a reef tank isn't going to work just for a simple reason why there's only 1 fish per 10.000 gallons of water on the reef and there are hobbyist that have as much as 20 fish large and small in a 120G.
Only for that hobbyist need to sit down and let that sink in.
Not that long ago I gave my large 11" blond naso to a guy with a very large tank so now I'm down to only 10 in my 200G do I think about another fish yes but just one as 11 is my limited.
Tony Vargas is hitting me up with this beauty when he's bag from Qatar.

 

[FarmerTy]

Haha, agreed. I sometimes get bored myself and always find something else to experiment with. I think that's part of the addiction these days once you can get past the basics of keeping things alive and pretty, what's my next rush?

Moderate stocking is definitely the bane of every reefer's existence. I want the overstocked look so I have to call on the reinforcements when it comes to nutrient control. Sadly, fish are my new high now, I only say that because my first couple of tanks were all coral focused and now that I have my coral stock I want, I'm getting bored and started to play with fish stock selection.

I'm a sucker for an angel anyday. Is that an interrupta?

 

[Diesel]

Haha, agreed. I sometimes get bored myself and always find something else to experiment with. I think that's part of the addiction these days once you can get past the basics of keeping things alive and pretty, what's my next rush?

Moderate stocking is definitely the bane of every reefer's existence. I want the overstocked look so I have to call on the reinforcements when it comes to nutrient control. Sadly, fish are my new high now, I only say that because my first couple of tanks were all coral focused and now that I have my coral stock I want, I'm getting bored and started to play with fish stock selection.

I'm a sucker for an angel anyday. Is that an interrupta?

Yes it is.
If I replace a fish in my tank a super rare fish will come back in return, I don't mind to put down 10 franklins or more for a fish.