Big FYI - To all you gun owners (1 Viewer)

[RR-MAN]

I like guns but I don't think we need something that can unload 50-100 rounds...no need for that.

NRA spends tons of money to lobby in Washington even more now since the Obama gun control issue-to them that's more important than the innocents that die; good example Newtown.

 

[steveb]

IMO hunting and self defense are but a little portion of the 2nd amendment. IMO the 2nd amendment is about the average American having the right to bear arms as part of a citizen militia to protect itself FROM the government should that government become tyrannical (everyone forgets when this country was founded we had been under tyrannical rule...). They weren't talking about hunting and home defense those things were a given. IMO Its not the NRA instilling fear, they are trying to wake people up. Its obummer and the rest of the libtards that are instilling fear. They are yet again trying to erode away the very foundations that this once great nation was founded upon. I just wished I had purchased an AR last year instead of putting it off until I had paid down some debts. I already sent my congressman an email asking him to join Rep. Stockman in bringing articles of impeachment against obama if he tries to rule by presidential fiat (executive orders) in violation of the 2nd amendment. I urge you to do the same.

 

[BlackSS]

We have never needed the 2nd amendment more than we do now. We do not really need it for hunting, to protect our belongings, or to protect ourselves from criminals. Those are just perks. We really need need the 2nd ammendment to protect our freedoms and way of life from a tyrannical federal government.
The Feds are so far out of control and so over reaching it is obscene. The mere fact that our imperial president is trying to restrict the right to bear arms without confressional approval enforces how much we need them.

The things he is coming up with make you wonder what the plan really is.

 

[steveb]

I like guns but I don't think we need something that can unload 50-100 rounds...no need for that.

NRA spends tons of money to lobby in Washington even more now since the Obama gun control issue-to them that's more important than the innocents that die; good example Newtown.

Millions of unborn children die from abortion, tons of innocents die from drunk driving, tons die from smoking and smoking related illnesses. Lets go ahead and outlaw abortion, liquor and cigarets while we are at it. See how easy it is?

 

[fredG]

What ppl have failed to say is that we dont have to have a "need". Plenty of people buy them because they're fun, ecause they use them to shoot competitio. Its a shame that people think that because they're banned that a criminal is not going get his hands on them. Rifles are used in less then 7 percent of gun crimes. Just because you dont feel you want one does not mean others dont. If thats the case the ban all guns Have them confiscated and watch how many people start to be robbed, rapped, and murdered.

 

[BlackSS]

Good man Steveb, great minds think alike. Simultaneous posts very similar.

state of Texas is posturing with a firearm protection act. At the very least it will slow any new restrictions in the courts. Wyoming has already passed something similar, but it is pretty loose and unrealistic. TX is going to make sure the AG looks it over and that it will have a a chance of standing up in court. State rep Toth is working on it. Contact your state reps and state senators to encourage this bill in the state legislature.

supporting mr stockman in the us house is a good idea too!

 

[RR-MAN]

Millions of unborn children die from abortion, tons of innocents die from drunk driving, tons die from smoking and smoking related illnesses. Lets go ahead and outlaw abortion, liquor and cigarets while we are at it. See how easy it is?

What a bad analogy but hey we all got opinions....

 

[steveb]

not really - your concerned about innocents dieing. I just gave you 3 examples of innocents dieing. You think its ok to restrict the rights of others because of a terrible thing done by a very sick individual. If we are going to restrict "rights" and freedoms lets go for it. I gave you my three.

 

[BlackSS]

I like guns but I don't think we need something that can unload 50-100 rounds...no need for that.

NRA spends tons of money to lobby in Washington even more now since the Obama gun control issue-to them that's more important than the innocents that die; good example Newtown.

When the next nut shoots up a school with pistols and shotguns, then what?, we'll I guess we have to ban those too...

Very little of what the pres is proposing will have anything to do with preventing mass shootings, but will infringe on our constitutional rights.
Columbine happened in the middle of the last ban with shotguns and 22 pistol.
The the shooter in aurora movie theater had an AR, but it jammed pretty early, he did most of the damage with a shotgun spraying the crowd with buck shot.
Evil people will find a way. Eliminate gun free zones and allow people to protect themselves and each other.

 

[Mark L.]

Take a look at UL burglary resistant ratings on home safes and see what they entail and how few safes are actually rated.
30 minutes with some basic hand tools would get a committed theif into most. Air compressor or portable cutting torch and you are into any of them. They all have welded seams that can be broken with enough know how and motivation.
like I said, they will deter junkies and amatuers, but if someone knows what they are doing most home gun safes are an annoyance. 10 ga steel is no challenge for a portable oxygen and acetylene torch that can be had for a few hundred dollars at any HD or Lowes.

LOL Liberty is one of my most popular gun safes sold across the country in Gander Mountains, Bass Pro's, etc. Starting with their cheap Colonial Series ($1400) up to their Cadillac model National ($5K), they are not only UL rated but surpass UL ratings. I do agree with the rest of your posts here.

Liberty Safe Colonial Series - More for your money

SECURITY

Awarded UL™ Residential Security Container (RSC) burglary classification
Triple case hardened steel plates protect lock from drill attack. Even UL couldn't drill through them.
Defensive barrier of Eleven 1" diameter bolts fortify the door on three sides, including one top bolt
Cam-drive bolt locking mechanism with slip clutch SURETIGHT handle thwarts break-in
UL Listed S&G™ Group II lock with keylocking dial guards against lock manipulation

Oh and no where in the UL rating (TL15 or TL30) is a cutting torch mentioned.

U.L. Burglary Rating Classification

TL-15 LogoClassification TL-15:
Signifies a combination-locked safe designed to offer a limited degree of protection against attack by common mechanical and electrical hand tools and any combination of these means.

Construction Requirements

U.L. listed Group II, 1 or 1R combination lock.
750 lbs. minimum or comes with instructions for anchoring in a larger safe, concrete blocks or on the premises where used.
Body walls of material equivalent to at least 1″ open hearth steel with a minimum tensile strength of 50,000 P.S.I.
Walls fastened in a manner equivalent to continuous 1/4″ penetration weld of open hearth steel with minimum tensile
strength of 50,000 P.S.I.
One hole 1/4″ or less, to accommodate electrical conductors arranged to have no direct view of the door or locking mechanism.

Performance Requirements

Successfully resist entry* for a net working time of 15 minutes when attacked with common hand tools, picking tools, mechanical or portable electric tools, grinding points, carbide drills and pressure applying devices or mechanisms.
U.L. Label Burglary Classification
TL-30 LogoTL-30:
Signifies a combination-locked safe designed to offer a moderate degree of protection against attack by common mechanical and electrical hand tools and any combination of these means.

Construction Requirements

Same as TL-15

Performance Requirements

Successfully resist entry* for a net working time of 30 minutes when attacked with common hand tools, picking tools, mechanical or portable electric tools, grinding points, carbide drills and pressure applying devices or mechanisms, abrasive cutting wheels and power saws.

* Entry = Safes classed as TL-15 opening the door or making a six square inch opening entirely through the door or front face. Safes classed as TL-30 opening the door or making a six square inch opening entirely through the door or front face.

Cutting torches aren't even mentioned until you get way up on the list of UL ratings TRTL-30 but you have way surpassed what home safes are built for and are talking banks, etc. We're talking about gun safes here.

 

[BlackSS]

Liberty makes good safes, and while they are rated (did not realize they were) standing up to hand tools for 15 or 30 mins (depending on the rating) is not terribly impressive. They are not designed or rated to stand up to a torch, but that does not change the fact that torches are readily available, cheap, portable, and probably a top tool of choice for a thief hell bent on getting into a safe.

Anyway, I think things went a little OT (i tend to do that, lol), but we seem to agree, a safe is a good investment, as it will effectively stop most home invaders from accessing its contents, especially when secured to the foundation. Most smash and grab break ins are not going to have appropriate tools to access a safe whether it is a made in China cheapy or a top of the line Liberty or Cannon.
That being said, I did not buy a cheap safe.

 

[Mark L.]

Liberty makes good safes, and while they are rated (did not realize they were) standing up to hand tools for 15 or 30 mins (depending on the rating) is not terribly impressive. They are not designed or rated to stand up to a torch, but that does not change the fact that torches are readily available, cheap, portable, and probably a top tool of choice for a thief hell bent on getting into a safe.

Anyway, I think things went a little OT (i tend to do that, lol), but we seem to agree, a safe is a good investment, as it will effectively stop most home invaders from accessing its contents, especially when secured to the foundation. Most smash and grab break ins are not going to have appropriate tools to access a safe whether it is a made in China cheapy or a top of the line Liberty or Cannon.
That being said, I did not buy a cheap safe.

Agreed. I tend to get a little OT also LOL. Comes from being on car forums for years. Black SS huh? I just sold mine. Oh and welcome to MARSH!

 

[Mark L.]

Liberty makes good safes, and while they are rated (did not realize they were) standing up to hand tools for 15 or 30 mins (depending on the rating) is not terribly impressive. They are not designed or rated to stand up to a torch, but that does not change the fact that torches are readily available, cheap, portable, and probably a top tool of choice for a thief hell bent on getting into a safe.

Anyway, I think things went a little OT (i tend to do that, lol), but we seem to agree, a safe is a good investment, as it will effectively stop most home invaders from accessing its contents, especially when secured to the foundation. Most smash and grab break ins are not going to have appropriate tools to access a safe whether it is a made in China cheapy or a top of the line Liberty or Cannon.
That being said, I did not buy a cheap safe.

Agreed. I tend to get a little OT also LOL. Comes from being on car forums for years. Black SS huh? I just sold mine. Oh and welcome to MARSH!

 

[BlackSS]

Same here, car forums, l sold the SS a while back, screen name has stayed though I guess.
i miss the car, was a twin turbo 600 whp 10 sec monster that i bullt myself, but it just sat in the garage.

 

[Mark L.]

Nice! Mine was a 500 rwhp N/A car. 2002 black SS. I just changed my name here. Used to be Bad LS1 on all forums.

OK back to guns.... LOL

 

[RR-MAN]

Dang...I keep forgetting that I live in Texas now.

I do miss NYC though.

 

[Scfrady]

****Update ****
One of the bad guys was caught in Austin
Stupid bad guy - listed one of the firearms (a IPSC open race gun) on gun trader. A local IPSC shooter saw the posting and knew the details about the crime though a Texas IPSC alert email that our club sent out . The state police setup a face to face purchase and the guy shown up. His day went from bad to worst in about 2 mins.


Note to bad guys "don't list high end custom firearms, you stole on Texas gun trader "Texas has the highest percentage of competition shooters of any where in the world" we are a tight community and we all troll gun trader on a daily basis


My friend is on his way to Austin right now and the word is 50% of his firearms have been recovered.

 

[Mark L.]

Awesome man. That's great news!!! Lock them up and throw away the key.

 

[fredG]

Anyone with an ak-47 or 74 willing to sell?

 

[rparker2112]

Anyone with an ak-47 or 74 willing to sell?

I have a few, but you dont have the money, trust me.....

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