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[webster1234]

ESV comes in mixed. You have to add the water, so I’m essence you can do the same thing. At least in the 1 gallon option.


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Show me which product you buy and I will do a comparison. All I could find on BRS is ESV calcium chloride vs BRS calcium chloride.
In that example, 800 grams (1.76 lbs) of ESV is $16.99.
7 lbs of BRS calcium chloride (pharma grade) is $23.99.
Therefore, ESV calcium chloride is $9.65/lb and BRS calcium chloride is $3.42/lb. ESV costs almost 3X as much as BRS.

And on a side note, BRS recently had a 50% price increase too, meaning it was even cheaper last year. They rebranded it as "pharma grade" to justify the price increase claiming it is cleaner than what they were previously selling. They probably saw all of the money ESV was making and decided to cash in on the scam too.

 

[steveb]

I will be using swimming pool calcium chloride from Leslies pool supply. Mg chloride I got from BRS (cheaper than amazon). Sodium Hyrdoxide and Sodium sulfate I got off of amazon.

 

[Tstew32]

Show me which product you buy and I will do a comparison. All I could find on BRS is ESV calcium chloride vs BRS calcium chloride.
In that example, 800 grams (1.76 lbs) of ESV is $16.99.
7 lbs of BRS calcium chloride (pharma grade) is $23.99.
Therefore, ESV calcium chloride is $9.65/lb and BRS calcium chloride is $3.42/lb. ESV costs almost 3X as much as BRS.

And on a side note, BRS recently had a 50% price increase too, meaning it was even cheaper last year. They rebranded it as "pharma grade" to justify the price increase claiming it is cleaner than what they were previously selling. They probably saw all of the money ESV was making and decided to cash in on the scam too.

2 Gallon Package - ESV B-Ionic Calcium Buffer System

Each ESV B-Ionic Calcium Buffer System has two components - Alkalinity and Calcium. When used in equal parts, easily maintain calcium and alkalinity levels with no mixing of powders, disruption of ionic balace or addition of organic chemicals. Formulated to provide all the proper ratios to...

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The 2 gallon is the mix I buy and it’s one gallon of part one alk and one gallon for part two cal


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[webster1234]

2 Gallon Package - ESV B-Ionic Calcium Buffer System

Each ESV B-Ionic Calcium Buffer System has two components - Alkalinity and Calcium. When used in equal parts, easily maintain calcium and alkalinity levels with no mixing of powders, disruption of ionic balace or addition of organic chemicals. Formulated to provide all the proper ratios to...

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The 2 gallon is the mix I buy and it’s one gallon of part one alk and one gallon for part two cal


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It's nonsense like this that really frustrates me with these companies.......

straight from your link on BRS...."The recommended starting dose is 1 mL of each component per 4 gallons of aquarium capacity per day. Test calcium and alkalinity frequently until the correct dosing amount is achieved to keep both elements stable from day to day. Each tank will be different and depends on many different variables will determine how much your tank will need to be dosed on a daily basis"

Tell us where it says how many oz or grams or pounds of actual alk and calcium powder you are getting with the package your purchase. That reads like some sort of 3rd grade math problem.

My tank uses 28 grams of sodium carbonate a day and 35 grams of calcium chloride a day. It can be BRS, ESV, or Arm and Hammer from Krogers.

And it doesn't matter if I mix that amount in a cup of water, a gallon of water, or just dump the powder in the filter sock. It uses that much. Period.

Watching these companies market their products like they do gets us roped in to using only their stuff because its simple and consistent and you don't have to think about it. The are banking on the fact that we are either too lazy or don't have the sense to figure things out for ourselves.

And I'm not just picking on ESV. I haven't seen a worse offender yet than Triton and their products.

 

[decimal]

The marsh group is a crafty bunch. I get what you’re saying though. It’s like a third grade math problem but they leave out a component necessary to solve. Presumably Most people don’t know the exact or even approximate amounts of sodium carbonate / calcium chloride their tank consumes. Their approach is simply “how many ml do I need to dose on a daily”.

 

[Tstew32]

It's nonsense like this that really frustrates me with these companies.......

straight from your link on BRS...."The recommended starting dose is 1 mL of each component per 4 gallons of aquarium capacity per day. Test calcium and alkalinity frequently until the correct dosing amount is achieved to keep both elements stable from day to day. Each tank will be different and depends on many different variables will determine how much your tank will need to be dosed on a daily basis"

Tell us where it says how many oz or grams or pounds of actual alk and calcium powder you are getting with the package your purchase. That reads like some sort of 3rd grade math problem.

My tank uses 28 grams of sodium carbonate a day and 35 grams of calcium chloride a day. It can be BRS, ESV, or Arm and Hammer from Krogers.

And it doesn't matter if I mix that amount in a cup of water, a gallon of water, or just dump the powder in the filter sock. It uses that much. Period.

Watching these companies market their products like they do gets us roped in to using only their stuff because its simple and consistent and you don't have to think about it. The are banking on the fact that we are either too lazy or don't have the sense to figure things out for ourselves.

And I'm not just picking on ESV. I haven't seen a worse offender yet than Triton and their products.

Here is what I found on each of the gallon jugs lol

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Lol And there is the missing info to solve..

 

[Tstew32]

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[RobertP]

Before I moved I was dosing BRS "2 part" via a DOS at about 40ml per day. I dosed Mag after water changes depending on what the test showed. Was already tired of this and was about to get another DOS just for mag and maybe iodine. The BRS is pharma grade and the price was pretty good in my book.
Hoping to have my tank up and running by year end and will start out dosing BRS 2 part again and plan to add a Avast Kalk stirrer as well. I had excellent PH results dosing kal previously just didn't have the ease of a stirrer before.
At some point dosing 2 part becomes a hassle so you switch to a calcium reactor. I don't know how many ML per day that is but I will get there eventually....besides I like all the tech gear!

 

[dmccoy]

for anyone that has an opinion on that..

are you dosing?
why are or are you not dosing?
what are you dosing?
how is it working for you?

can you share your experience?

I dose every day.
Calc - with Apex DOS
ALk - with Apex DOS
Mag - as needed with Apex DOS

Daily manual dosing
Reef Moonshine
Iron
Cobalt
Manganese
Liqui-MUD
Chromium

ZeoStart3
Iodine

I also dose many other things as needed depending on my ICP test results.

My daily routine takes about 5 minutes. I haven’t done a water change in over a year.


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[decimal]

Interesting.. how often do you do the ICP tests?

 

[Reefahholic]

My favorite 2-part is ESV. Like Steve said...it is indeed a true 2-part unlike BRS, Triton, and many others. Steve is right that the Magnesium in ESV is in the Calcium component. They do sell a separate magnesium supplement (36,000 ppm) for tanks with higher demand or that have a heavy bio-load of coralline algae.

ESV is also one of the only 2-part brands that addresses the issue of ionic imbalance which is slowly observed when using calcium chloride and sodium carbonate/bicarbonate.

Here’s my 0.02 cents. Start with water changes and buy some Kalkwasser to keep on standby. When the Kalk can’t keep up with demand then move to 2-part. When you’re dosing so much 2-part where you can’t hardly keep up...switch over to a calcium reactor.

FYI...not all 2-parts are created equal. Some have just the main 3 elements (CA, ALK, MAG) like BRS, and others like Aquaforest and Triton have major, minor, and trace elements.

Not to mention most 2-parts are very different in strength excluding Randy’s DIY 2-part recipe #1 and BRS as they are both 5300 dKH/Liter.

Aquaforest: 2500 dKH/L
BRS: 5300 dKH/L
Randy’s DIY 2-part recipe #1: 5300 dKH/L
Randy’s DIY 2-part recipe #2: 2660 dKH/L
Tropic Marin ALL-FOR-REEF & Carbo Calcium: 5600 dKH/L
ESV B-Ionic: 7840 dKH/L
Triton Core7: 9750 dKH/L
Red Sea: (I haven’t calculated this one yet)

Here’s a short list of compared potencies for some of the major brands:


BRS 2-part is 112% stronger than Aquaforest.

Tropic Marin Carbo-Calcium is 5.66% stronger than BRS.

ESV B-Ionic is 47.92% stronger than BRS

ESV B-Ionic is 40% stronger than Tropic Marin Carbo-Calcium.

Triton Core7 is 24.36% stronger than ESV.

Triton Core7 is 290% stronger than Aquaforest.

 

[Reefahholic]

Bottom line:

If you have a new 10/G bio-cube do not put Core7 online. Just go with Aquaforest.