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Ok so why is my 65 shocking me now? I feel like this is something simple that my dumb ********* is overlooking....


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Ok so why is my 65 shocking me now? I feel like this is something simple that my dumb ********* is overlooking....


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Unplug EVERYTHING and then remove it from the tank. If you have a spare return pump or wavemaker, set it up, and if your tank currently needs a heater to maintain within a few degrees, throw a small spare in. If you’re getting shocked, then there voltage leaking from somewhere. In fact, check to make sure any power bars aren’t wet... and add a gfi either between the power bar and outlet, or between the equipment and the pb.
 
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After you’ve removed anything that could be releasing stray voltage, depending on what you have available, test the equipment away from water... My advice may be overkill, but in addition to harming your tank inhabitants, safety- first is always best when it comes to electricity.
 

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I'm old.. I have seen electricians, you know union guys, lick their fingers and touch wires to check if its live. I'm sure things like that don't happen anymore but i did have a short in a heater from a batch of water i was mixing and i just unplugged things one after the other until I found the culprit.

I'm not sure the electrical current experience is the same for tank occupants and people grounded. there are some very basic laws electricity has to abide by. I don't know them and I'm not an electrician but maybe someone can shed some light on that. Ross. how are the tank occupants doing?
 

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I'm old.. I have seen electricians, you know union guys, lick their fingers and touch wires to check if its live. I'm sure things like that don't happen anymore but i did have a short in a heater from a batch of water i was mixing and i just unplugged things one after the other until I found the culprit.

I'm not sure the electrical current experience is the same for tank occupants and people grounded. there are some very basic laws electricity has to abide by. I don't know them and I'm not an electrician but maybe someone can shed some light on that. Ross. how are the tank occupants doing?
Good points, especially about being grounded.
Had a very scary experience with electricity... my cousin was in our pool and, not a cloud in the sky, got shocked by lightning (he’s ok, but I just don’t take chances). But yeah, a lot of people do stupid stuff like lick 9 volt batteries... ‘member those days? Lol
 
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So everything in the tank is good...culprit seems to be a heater I got from Trigger. When it’s unplugged(yet still in the tank) that’s when I get shocked. Once I plug it back in it’s cool....?


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So everything in the tank is good...culprit seems to be a heater I got from Trigger. When it’s unplugged(yet still in the tank) that’s when I get shocked. Once I plug it back in it’s cool....?


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That’s weird.
 
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I agree....? Not thinking it’s the heater really...if I’m creating an open loop that would make some sense...some. 617c4bdebc78b591328b64e6548f093a.jpg
Nothing seems fazed...


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Get yourself these and test your equipment. GFCI only works if there is a path to ground, so if everything in the tank is two wire or the ground is not exposed it will not trip until something like you putting your hand in gives a good enough path to ground.

If that heater is a 3 prong plug and they ground the case of it in the water, putting it in may be giving something else damaged a path to ground and you are just putting your hand in between.

People will argue that GFCI is not worth it for dozens of reasons but what they overlook is that a short in saltwater causes electrolysis and while in fresh water that makes hydrogen and oxygen, in salt water it frees the chlorine making chlorine gas. Small enough amount of current and it will not cause the gas to get in the air, but that is also how you can make bleach water. Basically, if you leave a strong enough stray current in your tank, you might as well be dosing bleach.
 

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I never really understood that (although I have something similar). All homes have GFCI built into the circuits. Assuming they are the same amp rating, how would an additional GFCI protector make a difference? It will should trip first if your aquarium stuff was plugged into that I guess but if it was not present, your integrated GFCI will trip exactly the same. I'm no electrical expert so I'm sure there probably is reason and I just don't know it.

Edit: it sure makes it easier to reset though. Those GFCI home circuits can be anywhere in the house. Although one can summarize that if you're tripping your GFCI all the time, its time to look for the cause and react accordingly lol.
 

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I never really understood that (although I have something similar). All homes have GFCI built into the circuits. Assuming they are the same amp rating, how would an additional GFCI protector make a difference? It will should trip first if your aquarium stuff was plugged into that I guess but if it was not present, your integrated GFCI will trip exactly the same. I'm no electrical expert so I'm sure there probably is reason and I just don't know it.

Edit: it sure makes it easier to reset though. Those GFCI home circuits can be anywhere in the house. Although one can summarize that if you're tripping your GFCI all the time, its time to look for the cause and react accordingly lol.
Not all houses have GFCI breakers, that is a more recent thing. Also, GFCI and AFCI are different, but if you have a new house you could have a combo that does both.

If you have GFCI or combo breakers, there is no need to an additional GFCI, but you do need your tank grounded. GFCI watches power in on the hot, and power out on the neutral, and trips before the diff gets lethal assuming you are the path to ground. So, if everything you put in your tank that touches the water is 2 wire, GFCI will not trip unless your tank water is grounded, or you put your hand in and you are grounded well enough for lethal current to flow.

For my setup I have two plugin GFCI since I do not have GFCI or combo breakers. Each of those runs off a different UPS to a different power bar and I have alarms set for if a power bar loses power as well as critical stuff like heaters split between them so that one tripping does not take off all heat, or flow, or anything else critical. I also have a titanium ground probe. With that I caught a heater that shorted. The heater itself still worked, but water got to the hot inside of it, GFCI tripped, I got a text, and then I tested everything on that power bar one at a time till I found what was shorting out and replaced it.

In my view, GFCI is a must, and so is an alarm/alert system of some sort. Over long enough time something will fail and short, and the GFCI will trip. You need to take that into consideration when setting it up and make sure that when it does trip your tank is not shut off entirely with no notification being sent.
 
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