Fish collection in Hawaii halted (1 Viewer)

[flexrac]

Ruling halts commercial scooping of Hawaii aquarium fish

Ruling halts commercial scooping of Hawaii aquarium fish | National | theindependent.com

 

[reeftopia]

glad I got my crosshatch and bandit

 

[Luman01]

Dang I agree with the article but at the same time I want my Hawaiiian fish! Lol

 

[steveb]

this is the crux of the issue...


"[FONT=&quot]The aquarium fishery off Hawaii's Big Island is among the best managed in the world, scientists say. Yet there's been a long-running conflict over whether it's appropriate to remove fish from reefs for people's viewing enjoyment."


Do we use science or ?[/FONT]

 

[Clownfish Chris]

this is the crux of the issue...


"The aquarium fishery off Hawaii's Big Island is among the best managed in the world, scientists say. Yet there's been a long-running conflict over whether it's appropriate to remove fish from reefs for people's viewing enjoyment."


Do we use science or ?

I'll say it... feelings. It looks good and feels good to shut down an industry because it SEEMS like it MAY cause a problem in spite of scientific research.

 

[mittens]

I can tell you as a born and raised native from Hawaii that I'm surprised that collection of any species is allowed. Oahu, the main island, of Hawaii has suffered from overfishing and disruption of natural habitats for decades. Fishing even in Galveston and Corpus is far better than fishing on Oahu. You'd be lucky to catch a 3 inch fish anywhere around the island of Oahu. Fishing is outlawed and strictly enforced with hefty fines in the little areas left where indigenous species even exist. Hanauma Bay, a must see tourist snorkeling attraction, has hundreds of thousands of people snorkeling in a natural reef area formed by a volcano that has eroded into a crater shaped reef. Decades ago when I was a child there were hundreds of large fish coming up to shore circling my knees. Presently this reef is a mundane 'hot spot' that visitors visit just for the sake of visiting. There's nothing to see. Reef, corals, get trampled on by people who can't swim. The coral you can expect to see consist of rubble rock and brown little stubs of who knows what. Visitors go through a presentation of things not to do, touch or chase fish/turtles, not to step on the reef, etc., but when it comes down to it a drowning human is going to outweigh a coral that gets trampled on, understandably. Another example is a very little piece of beach that a few turtles sunbathe on. This used to be a tucked away, off the beaten path, that just a few locals used to know. These turtles don't have anywhere to go. They choose a spot and call it home. This home now has a red rope surrounding a single turtle with a radius of maybe 10 feet. People are not to overstep this rope but anything else is game. I'm sure this situation is not unique to just Hawaii. This is just an anecdotal history I can share with you.

 

[mittens]

P.S. I am a hobbist that loves corals just as much as everyone else.

 

[malira]

I want to protect what I like and love. If I've never seen the fish how can I know I want to protect it. What's next? No diving with them? No boat in the water near them?

I'm still debating what I think about it. I think there is a balance somewhere in between.

 

[frankc]

I agree a reasonable balance should be possible - it is a pretty wide gap between allowing 0 fish of any kind to be collected and the previous permits that allowed unlimited collection of every species.

Thank goodness various groups are finally figuring out how to breed yellow tangs and others, although it will still be a while before they are plentiful and affordable, plus in every picture I've seen of the captive raised yellow tangs they appear to have bad HLLE.

 

[steveb]

I agree... there has to be some reasonable number between 0 and ∞ but that assumes we are dealing with reasonable people..

sadly most of the groups leading the total ban charge are not...

I do agree with one comment mittens made regarding habitat destruction (i.e. people trampling on the reefs) ..and believe if they are going to ban collection for the aquarium trade then they should also ban "harassing" I mean snorkling on the reefs... how's that for yah snorkel bob?

Thank goodness various groups are finally figuring out how to breed yellow tangs and others, although it will still be a while before they are plentiful and affordable, plus in every picture I've seen of the captive raised yellow tangs they appear to have bad HLLE.

Agreed. Of course now they may not be able to obtain additional brood stock..

IRC the appearance was thought to be due to some nutritional deficiency pre-settlement and although it looked like HLLE, it was referred to as epithelial thinning since no GAC was used during rearing..

Reef to Rainforest Media- Captive-Bred Yellow Tangs – showing HLLE?

Reef to Rainforest Media- Reflecting on the First Captive Bred Yellow Tangs

I do think we should support effort either by buying or donating.

 

[mittens]

All being said, I've snorkeled and dived in Australia's great barrier reef and the disparity between Hawaii's reefs and Australia's is something to be said. It seems Australia is doing something right...

 

[reeftopia]

Personally don't believe it has been overfished. there are freakheads out there that do not want you to have a single fish or a single coral.
And while there at it they only want you to use one square sheet of toilet paper. I raised Scarlet macaws when they were on the endangered species
and personally hatched out over 150 of them. Shutting them down is not the answer

 

[Diesel]

We all knew this was coming and this is the beginning.
If hobbyist not taking this hobby more serious it's just a matter of time.
Just take a example with the PDF hobby, not one PDF can be imported in the US legally.
What is available is done by breeding only.
That same needs to be happing in the reef fish hobby and corals.

Beside this is a fact,
Scientists estimate that 150/200 species of plant, insect, bird, fish and mammal become extinct every 24 hours.
This is nearly 1000 times the “natural” or “background” rate and, say many biologists, is greater than anything the world has experienced since the vanishing of the dinosaurs nearly 65m years ago.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/684562


We we had our chance to take control but it's not going fast enough.
5 years ago 5 on the 100 did a QT period now it might be 1 on the 10 ppl.
If every one did a QT period we don't need as much fish from the reefs.

Did you know that just LA gets 300 Yellows a month and that is just from one collection station in Hawaii.
I was told a while ago that Hawaii has 13 collection stations.

Maybe regulate it with a large price hike to control quantities.

 

[RR-MAN]

Humans are destruction machines.
Nobody gives a damn about environment/and the wild.

Most talk about it so they don't have a bad conscious


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[mittens]

Here is what Hawaii has plenty of... sharks. Tiger sharks seem to have a particular appetite for human on surfboard.

 

[Diesel]

Here is what Hawaii has plenty of... sharks. Tiger sharks seem to have a particular appetite for human on surfboard.

Yeah you told me about that Shark training facility...........

 

[mittens]

Yes, many preservation projects going on there.

 

[steveb]

Just providing another article on the subject .

Reef to Rainforest Media - Hawaii Supreme Court Ruling Halts Aquarium Fishery


and there you have it..

Hawaii Cuts ceases issuance of aquarium collection permits

 

[FarmerTy]

https://www.reef2rainforest.com/201...arium-fishery-regulated-valuable-sustainable/

 

[FarmerTy]

Linked for ease.

Hawaii's Aquarium Fishery: Regulated, Valuable, Sustainable - YouTube