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[crvz]

but is there something less dense than empty space in a vacuum?

You raise a lot of good questions, all of which magnify what we don't know about the universe. How does light respond to a black hole? Does it suffer from the spaghetti effect? If so, then it accelerates as it get's drawn in. And what of dark matter? Some folks don't even believe it exists, yet others say it makes up 97% of the universe. We've no idea. Could that be less dense than space? How could it affect light? Regarding radiometric dating, I think we're starting to go in circles. Someone else is welcome to pick up the argument of specifics, but my conclusion is that all of the available methods contain fundamental and serious flaws (usually requiring the specimen to have sat undisturbed throughout it's history). Though I'll keep looking. And Brandon, this is no slant on you, but generic statements regarding various methods confirming each other hold no weight with me. My experience and history with radiometric dating is that no single method has an error bar within 10%, and until I'm provided multiple specific examples that show how various methods yield consistent results on different specimens collected throughout the world, I won't be able to conclude otherwise.

But here are my closing remarks (for a while, at the least). I’m a skeptic of academia in the world today, that much is clear. I think there are predrawn conclusions that scientists and researchers want or need to find answers to support. I find that data often gets publicized and published when it fits the right mold, and buried or ignored if not. This isnt math; it's not always repeatable or systematic. It requires elaborate interpretation, which happens in an environment that demands arrogance and confidence to be recognized. And more importantly, I don’t want it to be true. What hope is found in life if we exist on accident? I'm confident that I've got the scientific data to deny evolution, though even if I'm mistaken I'd much rather be deluded and blissful than right and without purpose. I don't blindly follow a faith out of fear or ignorance, or even because of scientific conclusions, but primarily because I've found life is much richer when I live it for others. The Bible shows us how to do that, and my belief in the specific history of the world's creation only gives me reassurance.

 

[Guest]

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Now it looks like I see sugar in one hand and salt in the other, between the
last two replies. both taste good but different. But as the older I get
I'm starting to see with science and the facts and what we believe is
leaning more to what crvz is expressing, the heck with all the facts,
it about nothing has really changed so I'll keep believing with what has
been apparent all along. What if there was no science and just the
bible and the beliefs that comes along with it. No rights if someone
stumbles across a million years old fossil. Or bones for that matter,
did we give it a proper burial, no with science we had to find out
how old it was. But then again are we so set in our ways, that nothing
will convince us otherwise.

 

[AquaNerd]

How does light respond to a black hole? Does it suffer from the spaghetti effect? If so, then it accelerates as it get's drawn in. And what of dark matter? Some folks don't even believe it exists, yet others say it makes up 97% of the universe. We've no idea. Could that be less dense than space? How could it affect light?

Dr. Kent Hovind, a huge creationist, doesn't believe in black holes or dark matter. He says this in a bunch of his video seminars and even on the DrDino website. He says they are an evolutionists tool to help prove the Big Bang theory. So what do creationists really think? I know that within creationist/intelligent design theories there is some variation, but couldn't the presence of black holes logically lead someone to think that all the matter in the universe could have been in one giant black hole that lead to a big bang? I've read that black holes can reverse and spew matter outward, I think when they begin to die (I might be mistaken here). Couldn't this event further lead to evidence that a big bang event could occur?

I've got an archeology book that has a bunch of information about radiometric dating and how various other methods support and back up each other. I'll try to find the book and find all that info.

 

[Guest]

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Hmmm black holes in space, if I do remember there was evidence that
black holes where from a star or planet explosion. Now that can
be argued why in the same place, maybe something to do with
light years and how fast light travels?

 

[AquaNerd]

i believe black holes exist, but creationists like dr. kent hovind have argued against them. just bringing up a point.

 

[AquaNerd]

ok, i guess we're done???

on to a new topic perhaps?

 

[Guest]

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I was hoping someone would carry on about the new evidence of what
really killed the dinosaurs. Or should have been a contributing factor.

 

[AquaNerd]

since you brought it up lloyd, you have the floor to discuss it.

 

[Scott]

yes lloyd, I would like ot hear more.

 

[Guest]

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You know what, I like Brandons idea lets start a new topic

And I'll start it off.
Its about FILE SHARING and internet radio. your opinions and thoughts on the matter.
I'll start off by saying nothing on the internet is free, what you see isn't
free.
Tell your thought and opinions and I'll tell you why it isn't free.
I use to file share, never to sell or anything, just to get an idea on music
mostly, heck I use to convert bin a rar files to play games and copy paste
crack keys and all that, but you know what not worth it, just to sit around
all day to crack codes and files just to play a lousy game. But I like to hear
music. And not going to buy a whole CD for just one song, when the only
good song on the CD is the one I like. And here's something that
really chapped my butt, was when you can actually buy .99 cent
songs from MSN music but couldn't transfer them form your computer
to anywhere else.
All this crude started from a few broke rock and rollers who spent
all the money on drugs and partying .
You didn't hear Rush complaining about file sharing.

Anyway lets hear what everyone thinks. And I'll give you
a run down why File sharing isn't free.

 

[decimal]

may suggest we start a new seperate thread? i am kinda over this one.

oh btw.. nothing is free. whatever it cost you to get there was how much it cost. i.e. you cant just download a free song. you have to have a computer, internet access, electricity, etc etc. see nothing is free ... ever... the money only flows a different direction. like hybrids and electric cars. ha what a joke. so no im not burning gasoline anymore and creating smog. the power company does it for me. cuz the electric i use to charge up my cart has to come from somewhere... probably a coal or nuclear power plant. so now instead of paying the oilcompanies, i have to pay the power company. thats not a solution. ok.. ethanol and hydrogen. rotflmao. our planet can sustain about 8 billion people (aerable land and drinking water). current global population is at 7.xx billion what pray tell will happen to ethanol thats derived from plants (corn, sugarcane etc.) when we dont have enough aerable land to plant crops to sustain the population? what will we drink if our our resevoirs are depleted because tributarys are not making it to the resovoirs? i will stick with oil for now. there are solutions to these problems and imo they will come from bio engineering. we already have microbes that are engineered to consume oil from oilspills and release harmless products as a result. think nitrite and nitrate. what if we can control the output through bio engineering and say make usable gasoline from whatever we feed the microbes? can we genereate electricity that way? think about it... i know it sounds crazy, but think about how a dvd player and flatscreen tv must have sounded like thirty or fourty years ago.

sorry i can get carried away. i will stop now.

 

[Guest]

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Ok someone transfer us. :? copy paste maybe
Yeap you hit it on the nail second. One day I was talking to a friend
about the cost of my electric bill and he knew I had a puter, and ask
if I kept on all night, of course I did, and he said just turning of the
monitor saved him 50 dollars a month. So I just turned off my whole computer every night and boy what difference.
So break it down.

A average price for a house hold computer
And all that runs it for the internet.
1000.00 (mind you I spent 4500.00 to build mind 2 years ago)
50.00 a month for electric to run
50.00 a month to have internet access.
150.00 a year for protection hardware and software.
If you had a LCS to do maintenance a year
250.00 (of course I do my own)
So lets add up
1000.00
250.00
150.00
50.00 X 12 =600.00
+ 50.00 X12 =600.00

= 2600.00
So to start out with you spend about 1050.00 to get the internet
then about 1500.00 a year just to stay on the internet.
So nothing is for free.
Its like the Car dealer ship telling you, you can't barrow or share your
brothers truck to go haul something you have to go buy your own truck

I tell you what if I buy something and want to share if with someone,
that my business.