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Look at that $175 EcoTech battery back up.

Then look at the battery that they use inside that I pictured above & go price that battery.

Then ask yourself the question why am I paying $175 for a $35 battery with a pretty case. Ridiculousness!
 
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Lead Acid batteries are going out the door.

Lithium iron phosphate is where it’s at.

You don’t have to have a crazy set up like this but you can get smaller batteries that will smoke a lead acid battery.

These Battle Born batteries are epic but they have an epic price tag.

 

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I got 5 ecotech battery back up trashed in the garage. I had them daisy chained for about 3 years and then batteries started blinking red which is bad.

I opened one and noticed cheap $30 12 volt battery. See pic.

Best option is regular car battery (Walmart $80) with a cheap harbor freight inverter ($15) - it will run your tank for days and days.

Aesthetically definitely ecotech battery but for long term functionality I would choose DIY.

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Does the car battery that you mentioned above need to be running in the car to keep it charged? Normally they are not fully charged when you buy them off the shelf... ?????


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You guys are doing a hell of a job on this. I probably need to do a total load calculation on my tank and build a small backup just enough to run my tank. I would think a couple of cheap RV solar panels would be able to maintain the system if I have enough battery backups to store it. I’m thinking lead acid just to keep the cost down.
 
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You guys are doing a hell of a job on this. I probably need to do a total load calculation on my tank and build a small backup just enough to run my tank. I would think a couple of cheap RV solar panels would be able to maintain the system if I have enough battery backups to store it. I’m thinking lead acid just to keep the cost down.
The key is to know exactly what you need to run. Calculate the load. Use a relay to automatically cut the backups on. I’m looking into this now and will post pics of my relay switch and how to wire it soon. Also looking for the best most cost effective batteries. Small lithium iron phosphate is gonna be the way to go. The smaller ones are much cheaper and will smoke the lead acid batteries. Finding some higher rated solar panels for a house would be nice. Do your research because not all solar panels are created equally...trust me. Power inverters are great to have around. They can get you through some outages. I’m gonna say 500w to 1000w seems to be plenty for our needs. 1000w inverter is what I’m gonna buy again. Fired my last one hooking it up BACKWARDS! + to - and - to + in a panic.
 
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Lucky for me I have a brand new one still in the box at the house 1200W peak. You say smoke lead acid, by that I assume you mean they have more amp hours when considering cost? One thing I know for sure with lead acid is the longevity of the cells. I’ll need to research the Li Fe Po4 to see how they hold up. Interesting thread here.


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Lucky for me I have a brand new one still in the box at the house 1200W peak. You say smoke lead acid, by that I assume you mean they have more amp hours when considering cost? One thing I know for sure with lead acid is the longevity of the cells. I’ll need to research the Li Fe Po4 to see how they hold up. Interesting thread here.


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Just read about the benefits of Lithium iron phosphate vs lead acid. Watch the video above by Jim. He’s on the same page as I am with the Lithum iron phosphate. They Have a longer life span, zero maintenance, very safe, lightweight, improved discharge and charge efficiency, etc.

A lot of Lead Acid batteries only last about 2 years. I’m not investing in them anymore.


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Lucky for me I have a brand new one still in the box at the house 1200W peak. You say smoke lead acid, by that I assume you mean they have more amp hours when considering cost? One thing I know for sure with lead acid is the longevity of the cells. I’ll need to research the Li Fe Po4 to see how they hold up. Interesting thread here.


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LiFePO4 is going to be more up front, but less in the long run, and safer. I had my mom get battleborn batteries for her rv. One issue you will have with them is that the voltage drop off curve is way different than lead acid so you need a battery meter meant for them to know how much is in them, and need to keep them trickle charged. They maintain a high voltage a lot longer, then it drops off a cliff, so a normal battery meter will say you are full for hours, 3/4 for 5 min, then the battery cuts off power for the low level protect.

Depending on what level of insane you want to go and how much you want to spend, you could use a victron inverter charger and some LiFePO4 to make a makeshift UPS. Personally I would go whole house backup at that point. If you have ecotech stuff you could use some LiFePO4 and a charger to make a replacement for the battery backup they make.
 

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Does the car battery that you mentioned above need to be running in the car to keep it charged? Normally they are not fully charged when you buy them off the shelf... ?????


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With the battery you can buy a trickle charger so battery is fully charged when needed. Basically the trickle charger keeps the battery fully charged till it’s needed.

Trickle chargers run from $10 (harbor freight) to $30 (Amazon).

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Just read about the benefits of Lithium iron phosphate vs lead acid. Watch the video above by Jim. He’s on the same page as I am with the Lithum iron phosphate. They Have a longer life span, zero maintenance, very safe, lightweight, improved discharge and charge efficiency, etc.

A lot of Lead Acid batteries only last about 2 years. I’m not investing in them anymore.


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Not sure I like the price tag on these batteries... has anyone delved into the calculations on their needs for their reef? I remember when they came out with lithium ION for power tools. Lets just say I'm still let than impressed... I could run circles around Lithium with the old nickel batteries they used to sell.
 

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Not sure I like the price tag on these batteries... has anyone delved into the calculations on their needs for their reef? I remember when they came out with lithium ION for power tools. Lets just say I'm still let than impressed... I could run circles around Lithium with the old nickel batteries they used to sell.
Keep in mind there are multiple Lithium chemistries and they have all gotten a lot better recently. I have a battery powered lawn mower and will never go back to gas. I can mow my entire yard on one set of batteries and it is a lot quieter.

LiFePO4 selling points are that it does not burst into flames, and will have 80% capacity after 3-5k charge cycles. Also, you can charge to 100% and drain to 0% without damaging the capacity. Doing the full 100-0% quickly and repeatedly is what can knock you back to 3k charge cycles. However, quickly is draining it in an hour, then charging it in an hour. LiFePO4 is also expected to have a 10-15 year life, maybe longer with less charge cycles.

The Lithium chemistry they use for a phone battery gets damaged by heat, and degrades when at 100%. This is why those ones don't last very long. They are more energy dense so they are smaller and run the phone longer to start with, but using your phone, or leaving it on the charger causes them to get damaged.

The Lithium chemistry They use, or used to use, in power tools is different and designed for very fast charge and discharge.

On top of all that, there is quality of the battery, and the system that manages it. With a LiFePO4 you get in a drop in form like BattleBorn or Relion there is a BMS in the case that controls the charge and discharge of the battery to make sure it does not get damaged.

Point being, not all Lithium batteries are the same. They all have different use cases and life expectancies. LiFePO4 is the one most people like due to long life and safety. LiCoO2 would be much smaller and lighter for the same energy, but would not last as long and I think it is one that can burst into flames.
 

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Another thing to keep in mind for using a LiFePO4 to make your own battery backup for the ecotech stuff is that someone posted the battery and it is listed as 18AH. On 100AH battle born battery would get more than 5x the run time as an echotech battery even if you assume you can use 100% of that 18AH. That battery is $900 and you would have to add adapters and a charger so about $1k. Bulk reef supply has the Ecotech battery at $173 and you would have to get 6, maybe more, to match the run time which brings you to $1k.

Basically, they come to about the same price. One is purpose built and looks ok, the other would be hobbled together and may be a challenge to make look good. One solution you have multiple that would have to fail, but they don't seem to last all that long from what I have seen. The other you would have only one that would have to fail, but it should last you a long time.

Relion does have smaller batteries, so you could go the LiFePO4 route with multiple smaller batteries for more redundancy or lower cost. I had emailed them when I was thinking about doing this and they said that the LiFePO4 chemistry does not degrade when held at 100% charge. I would still like to see some evidence of this personally.
 

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One other option that someone with an Ecotech battery could look into, is that relion makes a lot of drop in replacements. If someone can email them the dimensions and specs of the battery as well as what the charger puts out, they may have a drop in replacement LiFePO4. Keep the case and wiring, upgrade the battery. Would be a decent option for people that already have the backup battery, but the battery itself died.
 

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Yeah so after purchasing a 40v weed eater leaf blower combo. The battery lasted a year. I’ll take my chances with a Briggs or tecumseh. Being that I work in oil and gas makes sense to me. Think I’ll save some money here and use some more tried and true tech. What warranty do they offer with this new tech batteries anyway?


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Guess what’s inside those fancy 40V batteries? Samsung 3.7 volt 18650’s


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Guess what’s inside those fancy 40V batteries? Samsung 3.7 volt 18650’s


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