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Could it be your skimmer / top off?

Hello zeek,

I have a far fetch thought about your salinity. It is highly unusual that your water is getting "sweeter" that quickly.

You mentioned that you had a 46 gal. Perhaps there is about a total of 30 gallons of saltwater, and I was wondering if your skimmer is just pumping out 1/2 cup of saltwater each day, and your top off is putting ro/di (or freshwater) back into the system. That may be the case especially if the skimmer gunk is clear like water.

I am making a far-fetch guess, but 1/2 cup of freshwater can drop your salinity by 0.0001. So, maybe 10 days later, it could drop it down a full 0.001? And weekly water changes may not raise it back up completely unless you are using "saltier" water. So, after 3 or 4 weeks, it could explain the low number. Same idea can apply to your ph, too.

Can you turn off your top-off system for 1-2 days to check to see if there is a leak? With it off, it can give you an idea if your top off system is putting too much freshwater into the system. I should hope you would notice a puddle of saltwater, but maybe you have a drainage setup. Maybe feel around the carpet around the tank to see if it is wet/moist or a strange build up of dried up salt crystals. If you leak a 1 drop a second, carpetted areas may dry up before the area is noticeably wet and your top off can easily put that back as freshwater.

(Haha...maybe you got a fish, or clam, that like to spit out water? How about that day you got back from the frag swap. Did you drip acclimate each one? Did the top-off refill freshwater to replace the water that was dripped out? Did you leave the drip running? Is it still running in a sink/puddle still?)

In most cases, people's tank gets "saltier" or higher salinity from the evaporated water. Adding unnecessary freshwater or "sweet" water is what I suspect when salinity drops.

(I personally use oceanic floating hydrometer for their nano tanks. It is an intank small 1.5" x 2" hydrometer/floater that you can always eyeball it. I put mind on the side out of the main view and also in low flow. I like it because it is not big or bulky; rather, it is kind small and not visually obtrusive. You can get it from PETCO for $10, or online for $8. My stomatella snails freak me out from time-to-time when they hide and play in it. But, I also have a refractometer to double check any off readings. I use it as an early warning device, but I does bob up and down bec of my flow--so, I usually take an everage of the high and low readings.)

-KyleH
 

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Do you dose magnesium?

Do you dose magnesium? Or, do you have normal magnesium levels? There is a balance in ca, magnesium, and KH.

If magnesium is being used up or absent, a tank can have a hard time to keep high levels of calcium. I think lower calcium levels will allow for higher CO2 levels--which pulls down ph.

(but, this does not explain the salinity.)

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Re: Do you dose magnesium?

KyleH said:
Do you dose magnesium? Or, do you have normal magnesium levels? There is a balance in ca, magnesium, and KH.

If magnesium is being used up or absent, a tank can have a hard time to keep high levels of calcium. I think lower calcium levels will allow for higher CO2 levels--which pulls down ph.

(but, this does not explain the salinity.)

-KyleH

Kyle I think you may have hit the nail on the head, I've been dosing calcium but never payed any mind to the magnesium, I don't even have a test for it :( and I also have slowed down my skimmer.

It was not pulling much gunk out but a half a cup-ish of water that was not very dirty, I'll keep an eye on salinity, I do own one of those refractometers, it stays in my sump :p

I will make the corrections, as of now I have purchased the kent probuffer dhk says it raises alk and maintains ph at 8.3, any objections?
 
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I had read that with a good aragonite sand bend and proper water changes, magnesium should not be a problem and that I would just need to add calcium if needed because I had a small tank and not many corals, I'm lost lol. Any good links to some "lamans" explanation of this would be Helpful, thanks!
 

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For salinity to drop down from 1.025 to 1.021 for 40 gallons is about 5 gallons. I learned this the hard way, don't ask me how lol. That's why I doubt it's the skimmer.

If 1/2 cup salt water is removed and replaced with fresh it would take over 2 months to bring salinity to 1.021. Easier explanation would be accidentally changing water with freshwater instead of new saltwater.

Usually with a old salt mix and frequent water changes. Magnesium is rarely dosed unless you have a lot of sps/coraline growth. Before you start dosing anything calc+ or dKh buffer. You really need to see how much your tank is using up first.

Usually aragonite sand has very little magnesium content. There is a lot of debate about the actual buffering capabilities of aragonite sand.

P.s. I dont think that's a refractometer in the fuge. If so, you need a new refractometer. Lol
 
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For salinity to drop down from 1.025 to 1.021 for 40 gallons is about 5 gallons. I learned this the hard way, don't ask me how lol. That's why I doubt it's the skimmer.

If 1/2 cup salt water is removed and replaced with fresh it would take over 2 months to bring salinity to 1.021. Easier explanation would be accidentally changing water with freshwater instead of new saltwater.

Usually with a old salt mix and frequent water changes. Magnesium is rarely dosed unless you have a lot of sps/coraline growth. Before you start dosing anything calc+ or dKh buffer. You really need to see how much your tank is using up first.

Usually aragonite sand has very little magnesium content. There is a lot of debate about the actual buffering capabilities of aragonite sand.

P.s. I dont think that's a refractometer in the fuge. If so, you need a new refractometer. Lol

Yup and thats why I'm pretty sure I used fresh on a water change... It just seems so easy to have done, specially before I was mixing my own water.

I have 3 refractometers, That one and two swing arms :p

So right now that my stuff is out of whack, what's the best steps to take to get things right?

And from what I understand once I get stuff right, I just test and find out what my system usage is and dose accordingly? how do I know how much to dose tho? and what is good to dose? any recomendations on brand specifics and whatnot?
 

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do small water changes to bring the salinity up.
test everything. dose to get things where you want it to be, then you can top off with kalk water to keep things stable. just mix the kalk in your topoff water. 1 teaspoon/gallon is a good starting point. 2 tsp/gal is max.
 

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Zeek bring by a water sample this weekend. I will test everything for you Mg, Ca, Alk, Po4, No3, ph and salinity.

Dude I'll definatedly have to get some help with testing soon, I've been dosing and watching it everyday, I was getting a LOT of swings but I think I found out why...

I've never dosed Mg because I can't test for it, but after reading over and over about how you needed it or your params wont raise/stabilize, sunday i took a chance and dosed mg without testing just once that is all I've dosed since and suddenly my tank params have become more stable, so going back to me using this "new" salt, could that have been my issue all along specially after the salinity dropped that the mg dropped to low and thats why the other two were having issues stabilizing?

Also anyone want this bucket of reef crystals? I hate this salt because I keep wanting to blame it for all this lol, but you guys are using it fine right?
 

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A lot of people use reef crystals with good results. It could be the magnesium in there is low. There were reports of mag being around 900ppm in some batches.

Although it's pretty hard to overdose mag. I suggest you grab a mag test kit and find out for sure.
 
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Wow, this all sounds so very complicated... I just dosed a capfull of coralvite and purple up once a week and mixed picking lime to control ph. Refractometer to test salinity..
 

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hey luis glad your tanks getting stable again. you shoulda just asked i have an elos mag test. lol

hey mitch, honestly i wouldnt' be dosing things into my tank without testing for it. nothing bad may come of it but you'll never know how close you can come to "too much" or "not enough" with out testing.
 

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zeek said:
Ostentum said:
Zeek bring by a water sample this weekend. I will test everything for you Mg, Ca, Alk, Po4, No3, ph and salinity.

Dude I'll definatedly have to get some help with testing soon, I've been dosing and watching it everyday, I was getting a LOT of swings but I think I found out why...

I've never dosed Mg because I can't test for it, but after reading over and over about how you needed it or your params wont raise/stabilize, sunday i took a chance and dosed mg without testing just once that is all I've dosed since and suddenly my tank params have become more stable, so going back to me using this "new" salt, could that have been my issue all along specially after the salinity dropped that the mg dropped to low and thats why the other two were having issues stabilizing?

Also anyone want this bucket of reef crystals? I hate this salt because I keep wanting to blame it for all this lol, but you guys are using it fine right?

Do you test your new mixed water for Cal, Alk, and Mag before you add it to your tank for a water change?
 
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Bad_LS1 said:
zeek said:
Ostentum said:
Zeek bring by a water sample this weekend. I will test everything for you Mg, Ca, Alk, Po4, No3, ph and salinity.

Dude I'll definatedly have to get some help with testing soon, I've been dosing and watching it everyday, I was getting a LOT of swings but I think I found out why...

I've never dosed Mg because I can't test for it, but after reading over and over about how you needed it or your params wont raise/stabilize, sunday i took a chance and dosed mg without testing just once that is all I've dosed since and suddenly my tank params have become more stable, so going back to me using this "new" salt, could that have been my issue all along specially after the salinity dropped that the mg dropped to low and thats why the other two were having issues stabilizing?

Also anyone want this bucket of reef crystals? I hate this salt because I keep wanting to blame it for all this lol, but you guys are using it fine right?

Do you test your new mixed water for Cal, Alk, and Mag before you add it to your tank for a water change?

Yup I thought about that last night, and I tested a mixed water sample that I let sit overnight, the results are as follows until I can test the mg.

Alk - 9
Calc - 360

that calcium seems a bit low, no?
 
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