DonnieKim
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So who is using Ozonizers and what are your thoughts on it?
Pros/Cons etc.
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Pros/Cons etc.
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If you're using one what brand and do you like it.
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Nobody uses an Ozonizer?
I want to try one without the UV!
Donnie
I want to try one without the UV!
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Hello Donnie and Kim,
How are you guys doing?
I use ozone. We use a brand called "Delzone" which uses a corona discharge(spark, similar to lightning producing ozone) to create the gas. This brand can operate in a 100percent humidity and still create over 99percent pure ozone without a dryer being used. Our system makes over 2grams of ozone which is intended for very large applications(20,000 to 40,000gallons) but much smaller models are available at a great price.
For the biological aspect of it; i think ozone works great for reef aquaria if applied correctly. The trick is to not over do it. Get a ORP meter that will either shut the ozonizer off or a ORP dip pen so that you can monitor and correct yourself. We run our ORP on the high side of 400 througout the daytime. Your water will be crystal clear, organics will be very low, your skimmer will work more efficiently, reduces load put on your activated carbon,etc.
The only drawbacks that i have noticed is that if you run it continually, systems will tend to go sterile over time. So just run small amounts in 12 hour increments. Corals, especially sps, seem to enjoy the benefits of clear water, elevated Ph&ORP, and overall cleanliness. Some specific filter feeders like clams do not appreciate extensive use. We actually watch our clams as a biological indicator to dial in our systems.If they start getting somewhat transparent in their mantle or around the siphon, we cut it back and they regain color rapidly. So, make sure you are watching your ORP&PH, use biological indicators such as clams and corals, be observent, and i am sure you will come to the realization of the threshold you must obey. It might sound complicated but it really isnt, and the benefits far outweigh the negatives.Hope this helps.
Take Care
Eric Koch
Reef Savers Inc.
How are you guys doing?
I use ozone. We use a brand called "Delzone" which uses a corona discharge(spark, similar to lightning producing ozone) to create the gas. This brand can operate in a 100percent humidity and still create over 99percent pure ozone without a dryer being used. Our system makes over 2grams of ozone which is intended for very large applications(20,000 to 40,000gallons) but much smaller models are available at a great price.
For the biological aspect of it; i think ozone works great for reef aquaria if applied correctly. The trick is to not over do it. Get a ORP meter that will either shut the ozonizer off or a ORP dip pen so that you can monitor and correct yourself. We run our ORP on the high side of 400 througout the daytime. Your water will be crystal clear, organics will be very low, your skimmer will work more efficiently, reduces load put on your activated carbon,etc.
The only drawbacks that i have noticed is that if you run it continually, systems will tend to go sterile over time. So just run small amounts in 12 hour increments. Corals, especially sps, seem to enjoy the benefits of clear water, elevated Ph&ORP, and overall cleanliness. Some specific filter feeders like clams do not appreciate extensive use. We actually watch our clams as a biological indicator to dial in our systems.If they start getting somewhat transparent in their mantle or around the siphon, we cut it back and they regain color rapidly. So, make sure you are watching your ORP&PH, use biological indicators such as clams and corals, be observent, and i am sure you will come to the realization of the threshold you must obey. It might sound complicated but it really isnt, and the benefits far outweigh the negatives.Hope this helps.
Take Care
Eric Koch
Reef Savers Inc.
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DonnieKim
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Thanks Eric, I've been looking at a 200m corona spark system, (nothing of the size you use!!), and was wondering if it was as good beneficial as they claim. And I was looking at the system with a built in ORP controller, and air dryer. I wasn't aware of some of the drawbacks you mentioned, but then any sales pitch will leave out that type of info, which is the main reason I was asking.
Good to get feedback from somebody of your experience!
Thanks again Eric
Donnie
Good to get feedback from somebody of your experience!
Thanks again Eric
Donnie
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While I have your ear,,,,,,,,how about a denitrator?
Do you believe it is worth it to have one on a system, of my size, (200 gal)?
Do you believe it is worth it to have one on a system, of my size, (200 gal)?
Andy
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I have heard that you either need to run the discharge air thru carbon or vent outside. Ozone is not good in high concentratins in your house.
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Hey Andy
I dont know if i buy into the dangers of ozone in the household. Once ozone contacts anything it immediately oxidizes and releases balanced oxygen molecules. The only way it would cause problems is if you were leaking too much into your house over a continual amount of time. We do not exhaust our facility, and i think i am okay(well maybe not) The very miniscule amount a hobbyist would run seems pretty insignificant.Either way, if you do breath too much, you will notice a sharp shooting headache, and a very distinct smell. Have you ever seen those central air home purifiers that people hook up in their duct work? They are using ozone to knock down bacteria,mold,etc. I think they run some sort of a carbon filter in the loop but, you would do the same thing in a aquarium.
Donnie & Kim,
I am not sure, is nitrogen cycling a problem with your system? If i had to answer now, i would say no. Denitrators are more problematic then they are worth, and if people spent as much time cleaning and/or setting their tank up correctly in the first place, they wouldnt need to be farting around with a denitrator! I have had two customers of mine crash their whole systems with these wonderful devices, and both of them asked me if i thougt it was a good idea, and both of them did it anyway. The funny thing is that both of them were rubbing my nose in it evertime i spoke with them. They bragged about how low their nitrate was,but it didnt matter to me, i run my systems in a more natural, holistic approach and have 0-5 nitrate. After a few months, both of them suffered huge, catastrophic failure of their systems. The reason why, they got behind on maintaining the filter which is a very bad thing, and alot of corals and fish died because of it. I think these denitrators have become more practical and can yeild great results if you stay on top of it. I just dont see the reason to have one in the first place. I always say"if it aint broke, dont fix it" and this holds true with reef aquaria. Why hook one of these things up when you can get the exact same results in a more user friendly manner?
I could only see the benefit in certain types of applications, but not for a standard 200gallon reeftank.
If you need any advice on anything, you can ask me here anytime, or pm me and i will give you my phone number and we can talk about it.
I dont know if i buy into the dangers of ozone in the household. Once ozone contacts anything it immediately oxidizes and releases balanced oxygen molecules. The only way it would cause problems is if you were leaking too much into your house over a continual amount of time. We do not exhaust our facility, and i think i am okay(well maybe not) The very miniscule amount a hobbyist would run seems pretty insignificant.Either way, if you do breath too much, you will notice a sharp shooting headache, and a very distinct smell. Have you ever seen those central air home purifiers that people hook up in their duct work? They are using ozone to knock down bacteria,mold,etc. I think they run some sort of a carbon filter in the loop but, you would do the same thing in a aquarium.
Donnie & Kim,
I am not sure, is nitrogen cycling a problem with your system? If i had to answer now, i would say no. Denitrators are more problematic then they are worth, and if people spent as much time cleaning and/or setting their tank up correctly in the first place, they wouldnt need to be farting around with a denitrator! I have had two customers of mine crash their whole systems with these wonderful devices, and both of them asked me if i thougt it was a good idea, and both of them did it anyway. The funny thing is that both of them were rubbing my nose in it evertime i spoke with them. They bragged about how low their nitrate was,but it didnt matter to me, i run my systems in a more natural, holistic approach and have 0-5 nitrate. After a few months, both of them suffered huge, catastrophic failure of their systems. The reason why, they got behind on maintaining the filter which is a very bad thing, and alot of corals and fish died because of it. I think these denitrators have become more practical and can yeild great results if you stay on top of it. I just dont see the reason to have one in the first place. I always say"if it aint broke, dont fix it" and this holds true with reef aquaria. Why hook one of these things up when you can get the exact same results in a more user friendly manner?
I could only see the benefit in certain types of applications, but not for a standard 200gallon reeftank.
If you need any advice on anything, you can ask me here anytime, or pm me and i will give you my phone number and we can talk about it.
