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Been a years since I got solar so I figured I would give an update for anyone thinking of getting it for a house/tank backup.

It looks like I got just the right amount of solar to offset my current usage.
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Reliant's latest solar plan is a bit more convoluted and harder to break even on though. Used to be flat 13cents both ways, now there is a base charge and a Center Point charge so I will need to use my batteries to reduce usage to get closer to zero bill.
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Even though the plan is worse than it was, I used over 2,000kWh so without solar I think my bill would have been over $400 with the new crazy rates.

Batteries internal systems report 103.8% advertised capacity still, so basically no degradation, but they have been mainly in backup only mode.

I have done zero maintenance and there is zero visible wear and tear. I have also not cleaned the panels. We get enough rain and low enough dust most the time I don't think it is worth it.

The important part, if the grid was down all of last year I would have been able to keep my tank running the entire time and one room cooled as well as kept my fridge running. I would have been able to run the entire house normally like 80-90% of the time. There were periods of time where I would not have been able to keep the entire house cooled, but a more efficient airconditioner would change that to just a few days a year.
 

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That's pretty cool if you don't mind me asking. what was the total cost of parts and installation?
 

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Think you would need batteries, like the Tesla batteries. I could be wrong.
Yeah there’s a power wall which is Tesla’s battery bank. As for back up if the grid goes down there is a transfer switch that switches you to battery just like a generator. Also the Tesla power wall is pretty smart. If I remember right you can program them to use the battery during the day and top up at night from the grid so you can take advantage of the night time power rates.
 
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That's pretty cool if you don't mind me asking. what was the total cost of parts and installation?
$50k minus 26% tax credit which I have gotten half of back and should finish it off this year. $25k for the solar and $25k for the 3 powerwalls. Half the solar cost is install, permitting, and all the paperwork with city/state/utility.
 
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Thanks for sharing. Can you disconnect from the grid completely and Run independently?
Yup, I have 40.5kWh of battery backup. I use on average around 2,000kWh a month in the summer, so that 40.5kWh will last me on average 16hrs. That can vary a bit, if it is insanely hot out and the air conditioner is going non stop I have about 12 hours and my base usage minus heat/cool is 25kWh so perfect weather it is almost 2 days. With the solar I have made it as much as 3 weeks not using any grid power and that was with a 30% reserve set on the batteries.
 
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What is your total kw in panels and also what batteries did you get?
12.24kW and 3x tesla pwerwall2. My roof is not perfect and I have seen people with the same size array post 20% more generation since they had all south facing with zero obstructions.
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If you can tell from the satellite image for ants, 1/3 the array is east facing and the south facing has gaps for vent pipes so it get some shading from them.
 
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$25k for 3 Powerwalls?!? How did you get that? I am just getting into this and had consultation on Friday and another today but I was quoted $37k just for the solar batteries...
 

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from tesla itself its alot cheaper. You can go to their website and spec them out yourself. Only problem with tesla right now is that they won't install batteries without the purchase of solar panels.

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I'm getting 2x enphase 10 installed. This should cover me overnight. I was gonna opt for 1 more battery, but at 10-12k. thats pretty expensive. I could get a generator installed for that price.
 
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$25k for 3 Powerwalls?!? How did you get that? I am just getting into this and had consultation on Friday and another today but I was quoted $37k just for the solar batteries...
I ordered from Tesla over a year ago. Prices have gone up but it looks like batteries are back to when I got them. Same system today looks like it would be $60k. I think the batteries are like $8k or so and anything over that is install and markup. I have seen people saying that in cali you either wait 2yr for Tesla to install, or pay double or more per powerwall.

Basically, go Tesla direct get best price, but probably have to wait longer and feel like you are being ignored. Their install process is horrible. Product is great, support and communication during install is horrible. Or you can get a third party and get much better support/communication, but pay for it.
 
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Thanks! Still not sure to do Tesla Powerwall or some other solar batteries. Guess I'll see what the company today will suggest.
That $37k was for 2 batteries (forgot to ask what brand) and he told me can run my whole house for 2 days straight, if no sun...but he told me to wait til next year to get batteries since it should come down in price.

From his quote, 22 solar panels came out to around $30k and then I also have the government incentive of 30%
 
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Be careful with the can run for x days quotes. If they are not looking at your real world usage on a bill with daily breakdowns they are likely quoting on average house with average usage. There is also time of year, I have gas heat so when it is cold out I get a lot longer run on the batteries. Also, size and grade of the panel can make a huge difference. Might get a quote from company A for 22 panels, and a quote from company B for the same number of panels for 5% less, but they are panels that produce 10% less.

Coworker used Sunpro here and said they were fine. He had issues with approved plans and what was done not being exact, but that seems common. Installers get close to plans but some times change things like where panels are and what have you.
 
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Thank you, can understand that it's a general number when he said house can run for 2 days. He did look at my bill and yearly breakdown but not a daily and I get it, with how much AC/Heating will use up as well.

I was told it was "Tier 1" panels but their warranty seem pretty good for everything with no exclusion pages.
I'm going to get a couple more quotes before deciding.
 

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What’s the rated lifespan of the power wall batteries? Are they lip04? I’ll have to go do some research on them.
 
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What’s the rated lifespan of the power wall batteries? Are they lip04? I’ll have to go do some research on them.
They have a 10yr warranty. I think it is 70% capacity after 10 years. Same chemistry as car batteries as far as I know, but they do keep saying they want to change to Iron based for stationary storage.

yeah, 70%

There are other companies that do have LFP that are safer on paper. I have not heard of any powerwall fires and there was a company that did thermal runaway testing where they intentionally caused cells to fail and the fire was contained. I think the enphase that @soymilk is getting are LFP. Don't remember all the specs and how it compairs to Tesla's offering. LFP should technically last a lot longer if the pack is designed well at the cost of weight and space.
 

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With solar panels on your roof would it reduce your roofing costs? Make your shingles last longer? I rarely need air cus my house is very shaded. Probably helps keep the heat in too.
 
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With solar panels on your roof would it reduce your roofing costs? Make your shingles last longer? I rarely need air cus my house is very shaded. Probably helps keep the heat in too.
They should protect the shingles under them from UV, and they do cool my attic a bit, but not all shingles are covered and they need to walk around a lot to install them. In the end I don't think you would see any benefit in shingle life overall and a bad installer just like a bad roofer could reduce the life of them.

If you have a lot of shade on your roof you may never make back the cost of the install unless elec rates get crazy. Really depends on how shaded your roof is, if you never see more than a few speckles of sun through trees you might only make 10% the power you would on a roof without shade.

If you are in an area of Canada that gets hydro and you have a shaded roof, I would say most the reasons to get solar are eliminated for you and would recommend looking at battery only setups. Soon they should have affordable setups that have a stationary battery but also let you use your car. ford was the first to make that a reality with using the F150 Lighting, but nissan has joined them.

I don't know if anyone had figured out how to integrate those with a stationary battery, but someone should eventually.
 
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