Ughh Hawaii ban Pt2 (1 Viewer)

[BigRick]

Hawaii aquarium fish update: renewed request for a ban | Reef Builders | The Reef and Saltwater Aquarium Blog

The Hawaiian ornamental fishery saga continues as we have just watched a State of Hawaii public hearing once again calling for a total ban on aquarium fish collection, just as we thought we might be…

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[BigRick]

I will be hoarding all tangs ... if BT (black tang) sell for 5k i might have to start thinking about insurance for him. I've was offered 1k+ but nope just couldn't. I've seen people pay 2.5k for same size

 

[soymilk]

dang that sucks. I guess buy em while you still can. prices never normalized for yellow tangs. luckily its just speculation right now

 

[Reefahholic]

I give up. Will not have a yellow tang coming to this tank. I’ll just have to substitute 3-4 yellow coris wrasse’s.

 

[Cody]

I like how one of the reasons sighted for banning the catching of these fish is native Hawaiians wanting to protect their local fauna….so that they can eat them.

 

[RevRich]

Hawaii aquarium fish update: renewed request for a ban | Reef Builders | The Reef and Saltwater Aquarium Blog

The Hawaiian ornamental fishery saga continues as we have just watched a State of Hawaii public hearing once again calling for a total ban on aquarium fish collection, just as we thought we might be…

reefbuilders.com

I read the article and at the bottom it says it's important that we click the link and register and say something along the lines of "I oppose the banning of etc.." I clicked the link and registered but was wondering if anyone might know where we are supposed to make that statement?

 

[BigRick]

Its an uphill battle but I only see prices going up.

Thread 'Hawaii Fishery Ban and Getting Your Comments In' Hawaii Fishery Ban and Getting Your Comments In | Marine and Reef General Discussion

 

[RR-MAN]

I will be hoarding all tangs ... if BT (black tang) sell for 5k i might have to start thinking about insurance for him. I've was offered 1k+ but nope just couldn't. I've seen people pay 2.5k for same size

I can get you a medium size black tang for $750 -

Remember gem tangs $2-3k - I bought one for $370 just recently.

 

[Cody]

I can get you a medium size black tang for $750 -

Remember gem tangs $2-3k - I bought one for $370 just recently.

Dang! That's not much more than a yellow tang these days!

 

[BigRick]

Dang! That's not much more than a yellow tang these days!

Gem tangs are cheap right now

 

[smootie]

The Oceanic Insitutute in Hawaii is doing some great work with aquaculturing yellow tangs and you can buy them through Biota. They're ramping up production so hopefully the supply will be more consistent.

I grew up in Hawaii and have seen how the reef has deteriorated dramatically between the 1990 through 2017, when I left. Between silty, nitrogenous runoff from overdeveloped land, tourists trampling on living coral, overfishing, oil spills, sewage spills, etc. the reef has taken a beating and it's only getting worse as Hawaii gets more (over)developed. I couldn't find any studies about the current state of yellow tang populations, but a 2020 study of West Hawaii waters (where a lot of fish for the pet trade are collected) showed a 45% decrease of fish biomass over just 10 years, 2008-2018, among grazers like tangs.

So I get why the folks in Hawaii want to protect their waters. What I don't get is the "right to fish them for food" thing. I know people eat parrotfishes (uhu) and goatfishes (kumu) but never heard of anyone eating a tang and you kinda don't want to eat reef fish anyways because of ciguatera poisoning. But I'm not Native Hawaiian so what do I know?

 

[BigRick]

The Oceanic Insitutute in Hawaii is doing some great work with aquaculturing yellow tangs and you can buy them through Biota. They're ramping up production so hopefully the supply will be more consistent.

I grew up in Hawaii and have seen how the reef has deteriorated dramatically between the 1990 through 2017, when I left. Between silty, nitrogenous runoff from overdeveloped land, tourists trampling on living coral, overfishing, oil spills, sewage spills, etc. the reef has taken a beating and it's only getting worse as Hawaii gets more (over)developed. I couldn't find any studies about the current state of yellow tang populations, but a 2020 study of West Hawaii waters (where a lot of fish for the pet trade are collected) showed a 45% decrease of fish biomass over just 10 years, 2008-2018, among grazers like tangs.

So I get why the folks in Hawaii want to protect their waters. What I don't get is the "right to fish them for food" thing. I know people eat parrotfishes (uhu) and goatfishes (kumu) but never heard of anyone eating a tang and you kinda don't want to eat reef fish anyways because of ciguatera poisoning. But I'm not Native Hawaiian so what do I know?

Biota tangs just don't suffice. I need true yellow.

 

[BigRick]

The Oceanic Insitutute in Hawaii is doing some great work with aquaculturing yellow tangs and you can buy them through Biota. They're ramping up production so hopefully the supply will be more consistent.

I grew up in Hawaii and have seen how the reef has deteriorated dramatically between the 1990 through 2017, when I left. Between silty, nitrogenous runoff from overdeveloped land, tourists trampling on living coral, overfishing, oil spills, sewage spills, etc. the reef has taken a beating and it's only getting worse as Hawaii gets more (over)developed. I couldn't find any studies about the current state of yellow tang populations, but a 2020 study of West Hawaii waters (where a lot of fish for the pet trade are collected) showed a 45% decrease of fish biomass over just 10 years, 2008-2018, among grazers like tangs.

So I get why the folks in Hawaii want to protect their waters. What I don't get is the "right to fish them for food" thing. I know people eat parrotfishes (uhu) and goatfishes (kumu) but never heard of anyone eating a tang and you kinda don't want to eat reef fish anyways because of ciguatera poisoning. But I'm not Native Hawaiian so what do I know?

I've seen yellow and black tangs for sale to eat!!

 

[PicassoClown]

The Oceanic Insitutute in Hawaii is doing some great work with aquaculturing yellow tangs and you can buy them through Biota. They're ramping up production so hopefully the supply will be more consistent.

I grew up in Hawaii and have seen how the reef has deteriorated dramatically between the 1990 through 2017, when I left. Between silty, nitrogenous runoff from overdeveloped land, tourists trampling on living coral, overfishing, oil spills, sewage spills, etc. the reef has taken a beating and it's only getting worse as Hawaii gets more (over)developed. I couldn't find any studies about the current state of yellow tang populations, but a 2020 study of West Hawaii waters (where a lot of fish for the pet trade are collected) showed a 45% decrease of fish biomass over just 10 years, 2008-2018, among grazers like tangs.

So I get why the folks in Hawaii want to protect their waters. What I don't get is the "right to fish them for food" thing. I know people eat parrotfishes (uhu) and goatfishes (kumu) but never heard of anyone eating a tang and you kinda don't want to eat reef fish anyways because of ciguatera poisoning. But I'm not Native Hawaiian so what do I know?

I've seen yellow and black tangs for sale to eat!!

Yall should check out a show on Netflix called Meateater, I think its the first or second episode that covers spear fishing in Hawaii and they killed at least 5-6 Nasos and a bunch of other aquarium species. I was sitting there staring open mouthed at the tv in horror. I love Uhu but I could never stomach a Naso like that

 

[soymilk]

Biota tangs just don't suffice. I need true yellow.

whats wrong with biotas? I have one and its pretty much undistinguishable between that yellow one you sold me. was that biota too?

 

[BigRick]

whats wrong with biotas? I have one and its pretty much undistinguishable between that yellow one you sold me. was that biota too?

Nope I got that from John for ~350 ... pretty sure it was a Hawaii. Biota tangs just little to translucent to me and a lot have HLLE.... weaker genetics... and before I get any backlash .. did anyone ever breed fish? I did for a few years and sold to many LFS and retail. I know a thing or 2 about genetics. I'm w/ DNA

 

[soymilk]

My biota tang came with hlle. But looks like it healed over.

But I got 3 biota from dennis. One didn’t make it out of qt. Brother in law got one, but it died suddenly.

So far mines seems ok. But you might be right away them being “weaker”

 

[RR-MAN]

I have not seen a bandit angel for sale for years.

 

[BigRick]

I have not seen a bandit angel for sale for years.

Might be able to get you one.

 

[RR-MAN]

^^^hook it up man!!!