Calcium Reactor vs 2 part (2 Viewers)

[soymilk]

who and where and what are you buying. just point me in the direction.

so for the record, your corals need to be 2x bigger than mines right? I have an A & D -120i i use for reloading ammo. It can read to .001 grams. We can weigh for weight.

 

[crvz]

my LOGiCAL answer: it doesn’t matter.

Another way to phrase this: your concept of "stability is king" is very different than mine. I think stability is absolutely important. Big swings are catastrophic, small swings should be avoiding for success. But I'm very pragmatic, and have lived my life by the phrase "better is the enemy of good enough." And the nuance difference between chemical parameter between a calcium reactor and dosing 2 part are in the noise.

Also, I've enjoyed this conversation. Thanks for engaging.

 

[Reefahholic]

my LOGiCAL answer: it doesn’t matter.

i think this is the point we are talking past each other. No one disputes that the alkalinity, calcium, and other trace elements that a calcium reactor effluent provides is going to be more constant (stable) than a dosing pump with a 2 part solution.

further, I don’t think anyone disputes that GENERAL stability is very important in a reef tank, especially for stony corals.

What I disagree with is the idea that the level of stability a calcium reactor provides is meaningful in comparison. I do not believe that. I believe an alkalinity swing of +/- 0.05 dKh is irrelevant to coral. They won’t care. If we are talking 0.5 dKh, well that’s a different story.

Further, I have seen NO evidence that a carx will provide twice the growth rate over a 2 part additive. I understand you have experience on a particular system that showed significant improvement when you switched to a CaRx. I’ve had the opposite experience. Both are single data points. Neither disputes the other, it just shows there is more than 1 way to handle the problem, and that there are a TON of other variables that could be in play.

Hes running a kalk reactor for the sps tanks. Hes not running a calcium reactor. Hes running just dosers for his main SPS tanks.


what evidence? You haven't shown any kinda evidence besides your personal experience with both systems.


I love how everything is so binary with you. Doing the math for crvz tank. I said that per dose it changed the tank's overall dKH a total of .004 dKH. This resolution is far smaller than any test kit we could ever try to test. So I guess you're trying to say .004 dKH is too much of a spike. But then you go and talk about supplement dose with a doser on the side while running a calc rx. Aren't you in the same boat as a doser then?


I'm going to say this again because you can't seem to comprehend it. I don't care about the gear aspect of this conversation. Its your methodology I find fault with. I know for a fact that a calcium reactor is a more economical way to supplement alk and calc in to a tank and it makes so much more sense to use it for a sps tank. I have NO PROBLEM WITH CALC REACTORS hence me even considering buying one in the first place.

But if you want to make a claim that a calc reactor grows sps at 2x speed. Then imma need to see some data behind that claim. You're saying the same stuff over and over and you don't even both reading peoples actual responses.


You mean to tell me you couldn't stay within 5 dKH using a doser? or is that suppose to be .5? If you can't stay within even .5, you're doing something wrong.

Why did you go back and EDIT! Lol

 

[Reefahholic]

who and where and what are you buying. just point me in the direction.

so for the record, your corals need to be 2x bigger than mines right? I have an A & D -120i i use for reloading ammo. It can read to .001 grams. We can weigh for weight.

They are from a local reefer.

Yeah, we can weigh them. I have a good scale.

 

[Reefahholic]

Another way to phrase this: your concept of "stability is king" is very different than mine. I think stability is absolutely important. Big swings are catastrophic, small swings should be avoiding for success. But I'm very pragmatic, and have lived my life by the phrase "better is the enemy of good enough." And the nuance difference between chemical parameter between a calcium reactor and dosing 2 part are in the noise.

Also, I've enjoyed this conversation. Thanks for engaging.

I’ve enjoyed it. Good luck with the 2-part.

 

[crvz]

Why did you go back and EDIT! Lol

I'm confused by this. What was edited? If it was my +/- 0.05, I just made it up, I wasn't referencing the math in that other post.

 

[Reefahholic]

I'm confused by this. What was edited? If it was my +/- 0.05, I just made it up, I wasn't referencing the math in that other post.

Soymilk went and edited his post. Somehow a quote of yours was in there too.

 

[Reefahholic]

Ok, so at the end of 6 pages we all agree and I’ll quote it below:

No one disputes that the alkalinity, calcium, and other trace elements that a calcium reactor effluent provides is going to be more constant (stable) than a dosing pump with a 2 part solution.

further, I don’t think anyone disputes that GENERAL stability is very important in a reef tank, especially for stony corals.

 

[crvz]

who and where and what are you buying. just point me in the direction.

so for the record, your corals need to be 2x bigger than mines right? I have an A & D -120i i use for reloading ammo. It can read to .001 grams. We can weigh for weight.

I'd be game for this experiment. Pull me in the loop if you guys want.

 

[Reefahholic]

Just for the record…I’ve been using dosing pumps in the hospitals for the last 15 years and currently use hospital grade pumps daily and I’ve very family with drip rates and drop factors.

 

[crvz]

Ok, so at the end of 6 pages we all agree and I’ll quote it below:

Ha! You must work for mainstream media, pulling the part you like and leaving the contextual parts of the story out!

 

[soymilk]

for one more data point, it would be interesting to see an more established reef running a calc rx as well

it'll be
1 newish tank dosing
1 newish tank calc rx
1 established reef dosing
1 established reef calc rx

 

[Reefahholic]

I'd be game for this experiment. Pull me in the loop if you guys want.

We have to cut yours an inch short since you have a 500 gallon system.

 

[Reefahholic]

Ha! You must work for mainstream media, pulling the part you like and leaving the contextual parts of the story out!

CNN.

 

[Reefahholic]

for one more data point, it would be interesting to see an more established reef running a calc rx as well

it'll be
1 newish tank dosing
1 newish tank calc rx
1 established reef dosing
1 established reef calc rx

Ok, so how many people are in and what are we growing?

 

[Reefahholic]

I’ll pick. Let’s do the classic Red Planet. Beautiful coral with great polyp extension. I’ll have to see if he cut me one or what all he has.

 

[soymilk]

i'll let you pick since you have to grow yours out 2x bigger than ours

 

[Reefahholic]

i'll let you pick since you have to grow yours out 2x bigger than ours

Haha…ok.

 

[Reefahholic]

And…for the sake of education for new reefers here I’m gonna link a 3 part series on how to setup and run a calcium reactor.

 

[Reefahholic]

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Sorry that happened to you.