I think I know enough about dosers to know that a reactor will SMOKE a dosing pump since I’ve ran a doser with Kalk, CO2 Scrubber, Trace’s, etc. As soon as I hooked up a reactor the corals took smooth off.
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It boggles my mind that people will argue against something that can dose a solution that’s 100% weaker- 86,400 X a day.
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A pump that dose’s a 100% stronger solution 150x a day max.
You can lead a horse to water…BUT YOU CANNOT MAKE HIM DRINK.
Common sense wins the day.
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A pump that dose’s a 100% stronger solution 150x a day max.
You can lead a horse to water…BUT YOU CANNOT MAKE HIM DRINK.
Common sense wins the day.
You wanna challenge me? You doubt me huh…
NOBODY HAS A LOGICAL ANSWER FOR THIS QUESTION:
Please Enlighten me about how a doser can beat the stability of a reactor when we all know STABILITY is king in a reef tank. The thread tile was CaRx vs 2-part. Which is better? The thread didn’t state which can do the same in double the amount of time.
A Calcium Reactor can dose a solution that’s 100% weaker- 86,400 X a day.
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A dosing pump that doses a solution 100% stronger only 150x a day max. (If you have a doser that can dose over 150X a day…please let me know and I’ll edit and insert that number above.)
Please Enlighten me about how a doser can beat the stability of a reactor when we all know STABILITY is king in a reef tank. The thread tile was CaRx vs 2-part. Which is better? The thread didn’t state which can do the same in double the amount of time.
A Calcium Reactor can dose a solution that’s 100% weaker- 86,400 X a day.
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A dosing pump that doses a solution 100% stronger only 150x a day max. (If you have a doser that can dose over 150X a day…please let me know and I’ll edit and insert that number above.)
Wrong forum.
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exactly at what point of deviation does spikes negatively affect the corals? If more drips provide more stability then do you believe having 1 million drops a day will give you 10x the growth? The tighter we get those spikes the more exponential the growth will be or will there be a stopping point where stability is already good enough and there are other limited factors that inhibit growth.
we are all aware of spikes of 1 dkh negatively affecting corals. Do you have any scientific backing on .0001 dkh being disruptive, or .001, or even .01 dkh? you seem to throw around sayings like calc reactor growth is twice as fast as 2 part dosing. What proof do you have this is true, besides anecdotal info.
BRB let me write to jake telling him he a big dummy for running a doser vs calc reactor for his sps tanks. His word is not gospel, but as someone in the know, hes purposing leaving 2x growth on the table using dosing according to you.
Prob a big conspiracy, big doser industry paying off jake to a 2 part dosing shill. The world must know!
we are all aware of spikes of 1 dkh negatively affecting corals. Do you have any scientific backing on .0001 dkh being disruptive, or .001, or even .01 dkh? you seem to throw around sayings like calc reactor growth is twice as fast as 2 part dosing. What proof do you have this is true, besides anecdotal info.
BRB let me write to jake telling him he a big dummy for running a doser vs calc reactor for his sps tanks. His word is not gospel, but as someone in the know, hes purposing leaving 2x growth on the table using dosing according to you.
Prob a big conspiracy, big doser industry paying off jake to a 2 part dosing shill. The world must know!
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Oldhead.....this board was much much different in the early/mid 2000's. Reefing sure has changed since then.
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i still remember your old thread about running off to live on a island paradise
Your information is flawed. Everybody that has been in the hobby long enough knows that a reactor is king of stability. It’s not even an argument. I don’t need scientific proof or backing. Almost everything in this hobby is anecdotal. It’s obvious that the ocean is very stable. It’s a massive body of water. The closer we can get to that kind of stability the faster things will grow. Yes, I know the tighter we get the stability in our systems the better the growth will be. Who knows where the stopping point is, but you’ll never reach it in your tiny aquarium.
It’s common sense that if something is dosing a solution that is 5300 dKH/L and 100% more potent and dosing much larger amounts.. less frequently…you’re stability will be far less than a solution 100% less potent and able to dose 24/7…365.
You can keep trying to defend, but you’ll soon find out that you’re mistaken. The mere fact that you posted this thread suggested you questioned your own method, but when the evidence mounted against your dosing pump you went on the defensive. Then you brought up Jake’s flagship reef as if he is the be all end all of the argument. Then you tried to make it seem like Jake could pick anything he wanted and choose doser's over a reactor which is FALSE. He’s running a reactor as well.
You talk to any Acropora guru and you’ll soon find out that these corals are the most sensitive in the hobby. The more stability…the FASTER they grow. I’d say 80% or more are running reactor’s on their Acropora dominated system’s. If you wanna make the argument that you keep nothing but LPS or softies…fine…but guess what…even they will benefit and grow better with a reactor.
The people who fight against reactors are those who don’t understand how to run one and they’re intimidated by them. The upfront cost is hard to swallow too…so they try to bash the reactor. I’ve seen this countless times on all the forums. Or maybe they had a bad experience initially, because they weren’t ready for one. However, if you are ready and understand the equipment…once setup they are by far the easiest piece of equipment I’ve used to add back major and minor element’s. A dosing pump has to be “continuously” tweaked and I have the data to prove it. To stay within a 5 dKh swing you are constantly tweaking that pump.
It’s different because people try to ignore facts these days.
I find it strange that any person (who is a reefer) cannot come to the conclusion that…
40-50 dKH is much less potent than 5300 dKH. Therefore when it hits the water this dose has FAR LESS impact. If you think that impact or stability doesn’t matter…mix up a 10,000 dKH solution and just dump the whole bottle in a 100 gallon tank full of Acropora and let me know what you observe in the morning. It will look December 25th in Montana. Everything in the tank will be Snow White. So of course stability matters and it matters a lot.
86,400x a day is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more stable than 150x a day. It’s not even close…if you want to put a number on it…it’s 57,000 x more stable.
But yet…they will continue to say that pump will grow corals just as fast as a reactor. It’s simply not true and anybody that’s been in the hobby for a while should know better.
The thread title was Calcium Reactor vs 2 part.
BRS 2 part has ZERO trace elements…so before you can even get into the stability conversation your already disqualified
The reactor will win hands down. Period. There is no argument.
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Hes running a kalk reactor for the sps tanks. Hes not running a calcium reactor. Hes running just dosers for his main SPS tanks.
what evidence? You haven't shown any kinda evidence besides your personal experience with both systems.
I love how everything is so binary with you. Doing the math for crvz tank. I said that per dose it changed the tank's overall dKH a total of .004 dKH. This resolution is far smaller than any test kit we could ever try to test. So I guess you're trying to say .004 dKH is too much of a spike. But then you go and talk about supplement dose with a doser on the side while running a calc rx. Aren't you in the same boat as a doser then?
I'm going to say this again because you can't seem to comprehend it. I don't care about the gear aspect of this conversation. Its your methodology I find fault with. I know for a fact that a calcium reactor is a more economical way to supplement alk and calc in to a tank and it makes so much more sense to use it for a sps tank. I have NO PROBLEM WITH CALC REACTORS hence me even considering buying one in the first place.
But if you want to make a claim that a calc reactor grows sps at 2x speed. Then imma need to see some data behind that claim. You're saying the same stuff over and over and you don't even both reading peoples actual responses.
You mean to tell me you couldn't stay within 5 dKH using a doser? or is that suppose to be .5? If you can't stay within even .5, you're doing something wrong.
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Soymilk….
Let me know…
I’m done talking. Let’s pick any Acropora to grow out for 6 months or 1 year… whichever you prefer. We’ll see if that pump can keep up. We’ll judge off color and measured growth.
Let me know…
Just tell yourself before you go to bed tonight…
My pump is more stable…my pump is more stable…he has no scientific evidence….it’s all anecdotal…it’s all anecdotal…
My pump is more stable…my pump is more stable…he has no scientific evidence….it’s all anecdotal…it’s all anecdotal…
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reading comprehension is hard
Game on, and if yours is not 2x bigger than you lose right?
Don’t be scared…I’ll give you the same Acropora. I’ll frag it if mine that I’m fixing to pick up very very soon.
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don't worry i'm not afraid at all. let me know who you're buying from and i'll buy the same. lets make it interesting while we're at it. lets put some money on it
I hope you can back up that 2x claim
I hope you can back up that 2x claim
Ok, will do soon. We can put some money on it for sure. My Acro’s are cut and sitting on the rack. Let me know what you want or what you want to grow and I can have him cut yours too. Or just that one.don't worry i'm not afraid at all. let me know who you're buying from and i'll buy the same. lets make it interesting while we're at it. lets put some money on it
I hope you can back up that 2x claim
my LOGiCAL answer: it doesn’t matter.
i think this is the point we are talking past each other. No one disputes that the alkalinity, calcium, and other trace elements that a calcium reactor effluent provides is going to be more constant (stable) than a dosing pump with a 2 part solution.
further, I don’t think anyone disputes that GENERAL stability is very important in a reef tank, especially for stony corals.
What I disagree with is the idea that the level of stability a calcium reactor provides is meaningful in comparison. I do not believe that. I believe an alkalinity swing of +/- 0.05 dKh is irrelevant to coral. They won’t care. If we are talking 0.5 dKh, well that’s a different story.
Further, I have seen NO evidence that a carx will provide twice the growth rate over a 2 part additive. I understand you have experience on a particular system that showed significant improvement when you switched to a CaRx. I’ve had the opposite experience. Both are single data points. Neither disputes the other, it just shows there is more than 1 way to handle the problem, and that there are a TON of other variables that could be in play.
