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I have heard of this mentioned and was wondering if anybody can explain this and the theory!
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Nobody else heard of this?
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I have not heard of it. What is it suppose to do? When can I come buy and see your new set up? 
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Here's what I found, Interesting:
DIY "Simplified" Carbon Tube Filtration System
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We have received a great number of questions about the design and construction of Dave's Carbon Tube Filtration System since we posted it on our Hawaiian Quality Fish site. To help people take advantage of this terrific filtration system, we have elected to re-graphic and re-describe the design and construction of this system. We have also elected to show how the filtration system can easily be "tweaked" with simple add-ons to make the perfect filtration system for your aquarium system. The following was performed by one of our customers on the Mainland and is a combination of Dave's and our customer's experiences. He simply abided by our instructions and now has a perfect tank.
Those of you who are the "Dyed In The Wool" Jaubert/Plenum or Berlin method aficionados need read no further. You are artisans who have the driving desire to recreate a small piece of the ocean in your tank. You don't want to use any method that does not occur in nature and your tank spends most of its time hanging on the hairy edge between "perfection" and "total annihilation". You are artists and I applaud you, but for those of us who elect to simply and basically get the most out of our system, with hardly any effort, we want to have the latitude to be able to add a couple more critters to our tanks without having to sacrifice the next 30 nights of sleep in order to accomplish this feat.
Dave Riendeau is, without a doubt, a very brilliant man. In my mind, he is the next Einstein lost in the Hinterlands of northern British Columbia. Months ago Dave and I briefly discussed the concept of using Hiatt's Tri-Based Pelletized Carbon (TBPC) and Right Now Bacteria (RN) in a "closed filtration system". The two products were designed to work in conjunction with each other to accomplish a number of tasks. The major qualities are to rapidly convert ammonia (NH3+, NH4 OH, & NH4+) into nitrites (NO2) then into nitrates (NO3) in less than 24 hours. Then vent the nitrates in the form of nitrogen gas into the atmosphere. This is done totally aerobically and is a scientific breakthrough. Besides these merits, RN will also reduce Phosphates, Sludge, consume Hair and Slime Algae, oil, is bio resistance to Copper and eight heavy metals. THIS IS ALL ACCOMPLISHED WITH A ONE TIME TREATMENT.
Dave, the genius that he is, can picture in his mind a concept and a solution to a problem, make a few scribbles on a piece of paper and wonder why no one else can understand it. The rest of us have to try to decipher Dave's "Theory of Relativity" and make some sense of it. I am proud to say that I believe I have accomplished this daunting feat. Of course, it helped that I was on the "ground floor" when the concept was conceived. The following is my interpretation of Dave's "Theory of Carbon Tube Filtration", with a couple of extra features with associated benefits Dave never got around to putting on paper.
First some background. Snake of Hiatt Distributors Ltd. has designed a number of environmental products over the last few years. Snake has turned his unique talents toward the field of water purification for the "huddled masses". He has developed a natural occurring bacterial compound (Right Now) that increases the output of sewage plants by an astounding factor. In conjunction, Snake has developed a specific Carbon (TBPC) that assists the RN Bacteria to more efficiently aerobically convert Nitrates into Nitrogen gas. This gas is vented into the atmosphere. Snake also developed a product, Metal Gone, to remove heavy metals from water, and a pH Adjustment Rock, that Hiatt claims holds water at a steady 8.3 pH. At this writing, Snake's patent lawyer has been informed by the United States Patent Office, that they will grant the patent on this bacterial compound.
All these products were developed for human or environmental use, but.... Lo and Behold.... they are fantastic for ALL Fresh and Saltwater systems. Right Now Bacteria digests all nitrogen and biological waste in a SW aquarium faster than any other product on the market. The Tri-Based Pelletized Carbon (TBPC) is a fantastic Biological Filter medium (thousands of times more efficient that Bio-Balls by volume) for any aquatic system. If kept clean of debris the TBPC will last for at least 5 years as a biological platform before replacement is required.
The concept of the "Tube Filtration" system is really quite simple. Hiatt's TBPC is put into a PVC tube, through which a HIGH VOLUME of tank water is pumped, after it has been mechanically filtered by a Magnum 350 , Eheim, Fluval, or similar pump. This will filter out debris that will clog the TBPC and make it less efficient. The water is returned to the tank, free of Nitrogen wastes. The TBPC also filters out a number of other contaminates including (copper, organic etc.) during the process. Remember this is an AEROBIC bacterial compound, which means it "lives by oxygen supply". When picking your mechanical filter you want it to turn over the tank water 6-10 times per hour! Don't forget to take into factor that the flow rate will be slower than what the filter instructions say due to the water flow through the carbon tubes.
The PVC tubes can be of any diameter you wish. Keep in mind 10 pounds of TBPC occupies .35 cubic feet. 87 inches of 3 inch PVC or 49 inches of 4 inch PVC will hold 10 pounds of TBPC. HDL recommends .1667 pounds of TBPC for each gallon of tank water for best results. My customers have great results with somewhat less, but then again, more TBPC means faster cycle time and more fish in your tank - to a point.
DAVE'S TUBE M1A1
MATERIALS (From your local building supply)
IMPORTANT!! Read Stan's Notes For Construction
1 - Ten foot length of 4 inch thin wall ABS.
4 - ABS Slip end caps.
4 - 5/8" barbs, male thread x barb.
1 - Ten foot length of 5/8 I.D. clear reinforced
plastic tubing. (So it will not twist and kink.
4 - Stainless Steel Hose clamps or 6" wire ties
1 - Sheet of white egg crate. (The stuff used for
covering on ceiling lighting. Check the lighting
department at stores.)
4 - 4" X 4" Pieces of fiber glass or plastic window
screen.
1 - Roll of PINK Teflon Tape. (It is the thickest
tape on the market)
+ 1 Drill, 1 tap, and ABS Glue
METHODOLOGY
IMPORTANT!! Read Stan's Notes For Construction
View Diagram
1. Cut two 28" pieces of the 4" ABS from the
10' length .
2. Drill and tap the correct holes in the end caps
AND couplings for the 5/8" barbs.
3. Screw in the 5/8" barbs using the PINK Teflon
tape around the threads.
4. Using the inside of the coupling as a templet, use
a magic marker and mark the egg crate. Cut the
piece with a jig saw.
5. Using a hot glue gun, glue the window screen along
the egg crate lines. Cut off the excess window screen.
6. Slide the egg crate flush inside the pipe end cap.
Hot glue the egg crate in place.
7. Glue the END CAP to the pipe. VERY IMPORTANT:
DO THIS ONLY ON ONE END so you can open and
clean the tube from the other end!
8. Glue the coupling to the other end. Allow to dry outside
for a day to vent the fumes from the solvent.
9. "Fizz off" the TBPC in a bucket of fresh water, then rinse
thoroughly to remove the "fines".
10. Fill the tube tightly with TBPC.
11. When screwing the end cap on, put PINK Teflon tape
on the edges. This thick tape will eliminate leakage.
12. Cut 12" of the plastic 5/8" tubing and hook the two
tubes together. Clamp the ends with the stainless
steel clamps or the wire ties.
13. Hook the tubes to your pump. A high flow of at least
6 times an hour is excellent. Remember the Exhaust
part of the tube is where the egg crate is installed. The
flow must be in that direction, otherwise the TBPC will
infiltrate down the lines and enter the aquarium.
If the tubes are tightly filled with the TBPC, they can be horizontal. IF they are loosely packed, they must be vertical. The shape of the TBPC doesn't allow it to pack, so you can fill the tubes with as much as you desire.
Turn on your tank and allowed it to run. Begin acclimating 1-3 fish that you are going to place in the tank by using the airline drip method. That is, siphoning the water from the tank to the bucket where the fish are at a drip, drip, drip rate. You'll want to add some AmQuel or other type of ammonia buffer to the bucket water to insure the fish do not get ammonia burn. This usually takes an hour. The fish acclimate slowly to the water change. Turn off any skimmers or UV filters that you have in the tank. Remove the cartridge from the mechanical filter. Five minutes before introducing the fish, add water from your tank to the bottle of Right Now, shake up, and pour in. Rinse the bottle of any remaining bacteria. Then put your LIGHT LOAD of 1-3 fish in your tank and let it run. Your tank will cloud for the first 24 hours, then it will be crystal clear. After 24 hours, put the cartridge back in the mechanical filter. The next day, the readings should be "0", "0", "0". You can add another fish every 5-7 days until your tank is where you want it.
If you want to "Tweak" your tank, add another tube to the chain and put Hiatt's pH Rock and Metal Gone in it. Really want to put a load in the tank???? Just add another Carbon Tube.
If you have a hair or micro algae problem, put in Hiatt's Metal Gone( MG) at 1 pound per 30 gallons after the tank cycles. In 10 days the hair algae will began to dissipate. In 2.5 weeks it will be gone. Leave the MG in for another 30 days while the bacteria eat the remaining algae cells. Then pull the MG from your tank. If you have a new tank with no hair or micro algae problems use no more than a 1/4 pound per 100 gallons. Change every two months. During this process, your Nitrates will elevate. Don't worry. When you pull the MG from your system, in 24 to 48 hours, the reading will drop between 2 to 3 mg/L.
Maintenance is a breeze. Clean your mechanical filter cartridge once a week. Clean and vacuum your substrate once a week. The Magnum brand filter has an attachable Power Kleen Gravel Washer specifically for this purpose. Just unhook the Magnum intake hose, attach the gravel washer and "vacuum" the bottom of the tank. Shut off the Magnum, replace the cartridge (keep two, one for in the filter and one for rotating), hook the intake hose back up and turn it on again. Takes all of 10 minutes. Clean the extra cartridge and hang it out to dry until the next "maintenance" spat.
The greatest benefit of this system is that it is so easy and inexpensive to modify, add on to, reduce your filtration system and you finally have he complete Nitrogen Cycle. No need to buy skimmers or any other "do-holly's" to get an effect. You already have the pump and a bunch of extra tube. Just mix and match to your heart's content. Remember again, a high water flow rate (between 6 to 10 X's an hour) is recommended for optimal results, because this bacteria is aerobic.
I think one of the greatest things about this hobby is that everyone can be a "research scientist", doing their own experiments, using their imaginations to attempt proving a theory. And make sure that you keep a tank log. We use the Aquarium Manager Program. You can download it free from our Free Aquarium Software NetLinks page.
Happy Fish & Reef Keeping,
Debbie & Stan Hauter
Your About Guides to Saltwater Aquariums
This came from About.com Saltwater
DIY "Simplified" Carbon Tube Filtration System
____________________________________
We have received a great number of questions about the design and construction of Dave's Carbon Tube Filtration System since we posted it on our Hawaiian Quality Fish site. To help people take advantage of this terrific filtration system, we have elected to re-graphic and re-describe the design and construction of this system. We have also elected to show how the filtration system can easily be "tweaked" with simple add-ons to make the perfect filtration system for your aquarium system. The following was performed by one of our customers on the Mainland and is a combination of Dave's and our customer's experiences. He simply abided by our instructions and now has a perfect tank.
Those of you who are the "Dyed In The Wool" Jaubert/Plenum or Berlin method aficionados need read no further. You are artisans who have the driving desire to recreate a small piece of the ocean in your tank. You don't want to use any method that does not occur in nature and your tank spends most of its time hanging on the hairy edge between "perfection" and "total annihilation". You are artists and I applaud you, but for those of us who elect to simply and basically get the most out of our system, with hardly any effort, we want to have the latitude to be able to add a couple more critters to our tanks without having to sacrifice the next 30 nights of sleep in order to accomplish this feat.
Dave Riendeau is, without a doubt, a very brilliant man. In my mind, he is the next Einstein lost in the Hinterlands of northern British Columbia. Months ago Dave and I briefly discussed the concept of using Hiatt's Tri-Based Pelletized Carbon (TBPC) and Right Now Bacteria (RN) in a "closed filtration system". The two products were designed to work in conjunction with each other to accomplish a number of tasks. The major qualities are to rapidly convert ammonia (NH3+, NH4 OH, & NH4+) into nitrites (NO2) then into nitrates (NO3) in less than 24 hours. Then vent the nitrates in the form of nitrogen gas into the atmosphere. This is done totally aerobically and is a scientific breakthrough. Besides these merits, RN will also reduce Phosphates, Sludge, consume Hair and Slime Algae, oil, is bio resistance to Copper and eight heavy metals. THIS IS ALL ACCOMPLISHED WITH A ONE TIME TREATMENT.
Dave, the genius that he is, can picture in his mind a concept and a solution to a problem, make a few scribbles on a piece of paper and wonder why no one else can understand it. The rest of us have to try to decipher Dave's "Theory of Relativity" and make some sense of it. I am proud to say that I believe I have accomplished this daunting feat. Of course, it helped that I was on the "ground floor" when the concept was conceived. The following is my interpretation of Dave's "Theory of Carbon Tube Filtration", with a couple of extra features with associated benefits Dave never got around to putting on paper.
First some background. Snake of Hiatt Distributors Ltd. has designed a number of environmental products over the last few years. Snake has turned his unique talents toward the field of water purification for the "huddled masses". He has developed a natural occurring bacterial compound (Right Now) that increases the output of sewage plants by an astounding factor. In conjunction, Snake has developed a specific Carbon (TBPC) that assists the RN Bacteria to more efficiently aerobically convert Nitrates into Nitrogen gas. This gas is vented into the atmosphere. Snake also developed a product, Metal Gone, to remove heavy metals from water, and a pH Adjustment Rock, that Hiatt claims holds water at a steady 8.3 pH. At this writing, Snake's patent lawyer has been informed by the United States Patent Office, that they will grant the patent on this bacterial compound.
All these products were developed for human or environmental use, but.... Lo and Behold.... they are fantastic for ALL Fresh and Saltwater systems. Right Now Bacteria digests all nitrogen and biological waste in a SW aquarium faster than any other product on the market. The Tri-Based Pelletized Carbon (TBPC) is a fantastic Biological Filter medium (thousands of times more efficient that Bio-Balls by volume) for any aquatic system. If kept clean of debris the TBPC will last for at least 5 years as a biological platform before replacement is required.
The concept of the "Tube Filtration" system is really quite simple. Hiatt's TBPC is put into a PVC tube, through which a HIGH VOLUME of tank water is pumped, after it has been mechanically filtered by a Magnum 350 , Eheim, Fluval, or similar pump. This will filter out debris that will clog the TBPC and make it less efficient. The water is returned to the tank, free of Nitrogen wastes. The TBPC also filters out a number of other contaminates including (copper, organic etc.) during the process. Remember this is an AEROBIC bacterial compound, which means it "lives by oxygen supply". When picking your mechanical filter you want it to turn over the tank water 6-10 times per hour! Don't forget to take into factor that the flow rate will be slower than what the filter instructions say due to the water flow through the carbon tubes.
The PVC tubes can be of any diameter you wish. Keep in mind 10 pounds of TBPC occupies .35 cubic feet. 87 inches of 3 inch PVC or 49 inches of 4 inch PVC will hold 10 pounds of TBPC. HDL recommends .1667 pounds of TBPC for each gallon of tank water for best results. My customers have great results with somewhat less, but then again, more TBPC means faster cycle time and more fish in your tank - to a point.
DAVE'S TUBE M1A1
MATERIALS (From your local building supply)
IMPORTANT!! Read Stan's Notes For Construction
1 - Ten foot length of 4 inch thin wall ABS.
4 - ABS Slip end caps.
4 - 5/8" barbs, male thread x barb.
1 - Ten foot length of 5/8 I.D. clear reinforced
plastic tubing. (So it will not twist and kink.
4 - Stainless Steel Hose clamps or 6" wire ties
1 - Sheet of white egg crate. (The stuff used for
covering on ceiling lighting. Check the lighting
department at stores.)
4 - 4" X 4" Pieces of fiber glass or plastic window
screen.
1 - Roll of PINK Teflon Tape. (It is the thickest
tape on the market)
+ 1 Drill, 1 tap, and ABS Glue
METHODOLOGY
IMPORTANT!! Read Stan's Notes For Construction
View Diagram
1. Cut two 28" pieces of the 4" ABS from the
10' length .
2. Drill and tap the correct holes in the end caps
AND couplings for the 5/8" barbs.
3. Screw in the 5/8" barbs using the PINK Teflon
tape around the threads.
4. Using the inside of the coupling as a templet, use
a magic marker and mark the egg crate. Cut the
piece with a jig saw.
5. Using a hot glue gun, glue the window screen along
the egg crate lines. Cut off the excess window screen.
6. Slide the egg crate flush inside the pipe end cap.
Hot glue the egg crate in place.
7. Glue the END CAP to the pipe. VERY IMPORTANT:
DO THIS ONLY ON ONE END so you can open and
clean the tube from the other end!
8. Glue the coupling to the other end. Allow to dry outside
for a day to vent the fumes from the solvent.
9. "Fizz off" the TBPC in a bucket of fresh water, then rinse
thoroughly to remove the "fines".
10. Fill the tube tightly with TBPC.
11. When screwing the end cap on, put PINK Teflon tape
on the edges. This thick tape will eliminate leakage.
12. Cut 12" of the plastic 5/8" tubing and hook the two
tubes together. Clamp the ends with the stainless
steel clamps or the wire ties.
13. Hook the tubes to your pump. A high flow of at least
6 times an hour is excellent. Remember the Exhaust
part of the tube is where the egg crate is installed. The
flow must be in that direction, otherwise the TBPC will
infiltrate down the lines and enter the aquarium.
If the tubes are tightly filled with the TBPC, they can be horizontal. IF they are loosely packed, they must be vertical. The shape of the TBPC doesn't allow it to pack, so you can fill the tubes with as much as you desire.
Turn on your tank and allowed it to run. Begin acclimating 1-3 fish that you are going to place in the tank by using the airline drip method. That is, siphoning the water from the tank to the bucket where the fish are at a drip, drip, drip rate. You'll want to add some AmQuel or other type of ammonia buffer to the bucket water to insure the fish do not get ammonia burn. This usually takes an hour. The fish acclimate slowly to the water change. Turn off any skimmers or UV filters that you have in the tank. Remove the cartridge from the mechanical filter. Five minutes before introducing the fish, add water from your tank to the bottle of Right Now, shake up, and pour in. Rinse the bottle of any remaining bacteria. Then put your LIGHT LOAD of 1-3 fish in your tank and let it run. Your tank will cloud for the first 24 hours, then it will be crystal clear. After 24 hours, put the cartridge back in the mechanical filter. The next day, the readings should be "0", "0", "0". You can add another fish every 5-7 days until your tank is where you want it.
If you want to "Tweak" your tank, add another tube to the chain and put Hiatt's pH Rock and Metal Gone in it. Really want to put a load in the tank???? Just add another Carbon Tube.
If you have a hair or micro algae problem, put in Hiatt's Metal Gone( MG) at 1 pound per 30 gallons after the tank cycles. In 10 days the hair algae will began to dissipate. In 2.5 weeks it will be gone. Leave the MG in for another 30 days while the bacteria eat the remaining algae cells. Then pull the MG from your tank. If you have a new tank with no hair or micro algae problems use no more than a 1/4 pound per 100 gallons. Change every two months. During this process, your Nitrates will elevate. Don't worry. When you pull the MG from your system, in 24 to 48 hours, the reading will drop between 2 to 3 mg/L.
Maintenance is a breeze. Clean your mechanical filter cartridge once a week. Clean and vacuum your substrate once a week. The Magnum brand filter has an attachable Power Kleen Gravel Washer specifically for this purpose. Just unhook the Magnum intake hose, attach the gravel washer and "vacuum" the bottom of the tank. Shut off the Magnum, replace the cartridge (keep two, one for in the filter and one for rotating), hook the intake hose back up and turn it on again. Takes all of 10 minutes. Clean the extra cartridge and hang it out to dry until the next "maintenance" spat.
The greatest benefit of this system is that it is so easy and inexpensive to modify, add on to, reduce your filtration system and you finally have he complete Nitrogen Cycle. No need to buy skimmers or any other "do-holly's" to get an effect. You already have the pump and a bunch of extra tube. Just mix and match to your heart's content. Remember again, a high water flow rate (between 6 to 10 X's an hour) is recommended for optimal results, because this bacteria is aerobic.
I think one of the greatest things about this hobby is that everyone can be a "research scientist", doing their own experiments, using their imaginations to attempt proving a theory. And make sure that you keep a tank log. We use the Aquarium Manager Program. You can download it free from our Free Aquarium Software NetLinks page.
Happy Fish & Reef Keeping,
Debbie & Stan Hauter
Your About Guides to Saltwater Aquariums
This came from About.com Saltwater
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DonnieKim
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Puma you can come by anytime!
I'm actually gonna tear it down this weekend to upgrade my tank!!!!!WOOHOO!
I'm actually gonna tear it down this weekend to upgrade my tank!!!!!WOOHOO!
lesd
Supporting Member
If you follow the recommendations, that would be 25 pounds of carbon for a 150 gallon tank. That's A LOT of activated carbon.
JMO - This whole thing sounds pretty sketchy to me.
-- Les
JMO - This whole thing sounds pretty sketchy to me.
-- Les
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DonnieKim
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Yeah I had just recently heard of it and wanted to find out more about it, and this is what I've come up with.
G
Guest
If you put 25 lbs of any carbon in for any tank it will probably clarify the water, remove lots of organics, and maybe your animals will seem healthier. Until the carbon fills up and you need to buy or reactivate the carbon.
I wanted to stop reading when he said that people using Berlin or Jaubert are "artisans living on the edge" As he kept talking about how complex this "Theory of Relativity" is and how much of a genius the patent holder is. groan.
I am glad I kept reading though, because it's a first for me. This is the first (likely)snake oil I've ever seen marketed by someone actually NAMED snake. interesting.
This is nothing more exciting than a cannister filter with alot of carbon.
I wanted to stop reading when he said that people using Berlin or Jaubert are "artisans living on the edge" As he kept talking about how complex this "Theory of Relativity" is and how much of a genius the patent holder is. groan.
I am glad I kept reading though, because it's a first for me. This is the first (likely)snake oil I've ever seen marketed by someone actually NAMED snake. interesting.
This is nothing more exciting than a cannister filter with alot of carbon.
G
Guest
About ten years ago when fluidized bed filters were all the rage, there was a guy who had a carbon filter like this that worked in a similar way to the fluidized bed filters. When I tried it though, all I got was black cloudy water. I guess if you used larger carbon pellets with less flow, it would work better. Kind of interested to see how this one would work.
