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As you have probably seen recently many of us have been discussing algae problems, our nitrate and phosphate levels, and how they affect each other. You have have even heard Redfield ratio thrown around a bit. I saw this video and thought it would be good to post here. Hope it helps someone understand why we try to maintain a certain nitrate level, phosphate level and even carbon dose. The old idea that 0.000 nitrates & 0.000 phosphates is good just isn't true anymore. Well it never was! Many of us including myself just didn't know any better back in "the day".

FAQ #42: How does the relationship between nitrates and phosphates affect my aquarium? - Bulk Reef Supply
 

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Andre told me about dosing with stump remover to raise nitrates and it works great

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As you have probably seen recently many of us have been discussing algae problems, our nitrate and phosphate levels, and how they affect each other. You have have even heard Redfield ratio thrown around a bit. I saw this video and thought it would be good to post here. Hope it helps someone understand why we try to maintain a certain nitrate level, phosphate level and even carbon dose. The old idea that 0.000 nitrates & 0.000 phosphates is good just isn't true anymore. Well it never was! Many of us including myself just didn't know any better back in "the day".

FAQ #42: How does the relationship between nitrates and phosphates affect my aquarium? - Bulk Reef Supply

Solid video, Mark.
 

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Great info. Just starting to get back into the game after a 7 year hiatus. Much has changed. I recall when the first phosphate meters came out and they were hundreds of dollars. Now i see they have one for $50.

Typically, what are now ideal parameters for a mixed reef these days? (Mainly phosphate and nitrates)

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Mark,

what do you use to measure phosphate levels?

Hanna phosphate checker and Hanna ULR Phosphorus checker. I bought the Phosphate checker first. Then I was told the ULR Phosphorus checker was more accurate and better to use. Surprisingly they read almost identical. My phosphate checker just read 0.04 and my phosphorus read 16 ppb or 0.048 ppm phosphate.
 
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I'm shooting for about the same levels as Mark. Maybe a little more. No doubt NO3 and PO4 is needed for a healthy reef. I've starved most of my reefs with too much cleaning over the years. Don't get me wrong, cleaning is good but sometimes too much is unhealthy. I think now I've finally learned. I hope!
 

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OK so what do you actually achieve on average?

Same thing if anyone else wants to answer!! What are you shooting for? Why are you going for those numbers? What are you actually achieving on average? What are you using or going about to get those numbers? I know what the internet says but I want to know first hand experiences please.
 

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I also try for those same levels Po4 .03 and No3 5 ppm , thru all the testing I do and it is a lot , my Po4 goes between .03 and .07 when it hits .07 I know it is time to change GFO in reactor and it goes back down to .03 or .04 , No3 is between 5 and 10 if it drops below 5 my Fish get happy because I feed a little more to get them back up.
 
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On average my levels were either much higher or zero. Neither was good.

Just running carbon and GFO with minimal fish and coral population and over skimming coupled with my anal maintenance routine was starving my system at times.

To get the nitrates up...I dosed stump remover and for Phosphates I tried to feed more. I heard miracle-grow can > PO4.

I know to go slow on stump remover now. lol

OK so what do you actually achieve on average?
Same thing if anyone else wants to answer!! What are you shooting for? Why are you going for those numbers? What are you actually achieving on average? What are you using or going about to get those numbers? I know what the internet says but I want to know first hand experiences please.
 

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Gents,

yes this "zero Nitrates and zero Phosphates believe" is the first thing that DIESEL taught me back few years ago, to keep my hands OFF from ;-)

Basically the fear of people to have a huge algae outbreak when Po4 is detectable is part of the reason why so many still shoot for zero levels of nutrients.
Currently #1 problem in many reef tank issues I got consulted with.

Almost every Reefer coming to me asking these days about why their tank look so badly, it's related to Po4 and No3..................

Keep in mind to maintain a minimum of those nutrients!
Use a Hanna ULR Phosporus checker, since this guy will provide you the required ultra low range tolerance needed ;-)
Keep the checker and glasses always "dry and cleaned under tapwater" with the tank water in it, prior putting it into the Checker!
Make sure the 3 minute countdown is activated and you should be set !!!

To convert phosphorus ppb, to phosphate ppm, you multiply the measured ppb by 3.066 and then as the phosphorus is in ppb divide it by 1000.
The multiplication factor of 3.0061 is the ratio between the different molecular masses of PO4 and P. (94.971Da and 30.974Da = 3.0661)

When setting up your nitrates and phosphates, make sure you are in the Redfield ratio, which provides the lowest risk of algae issues.
Changes from outside to the ideal balance will take about 1-2 weeks until full in effect, so be patient.
A full grown sand bed full of diatoms to a white bed, took me multiple times up to 4 weeks with slow progress.

Here is an old thread with some instructions to the Nitrate dosing solution which comes quite handy:
http://www.marsh-reef.org/marine-and-reef-general-discussion/48808-no3.html



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Just tested my NO3.

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My PO4 is high. I'm not sure why. The tank is still really young, but I wasn't expecting that. Any idea why? Haven't been feeding that much. Maybe it's because I just added the Siporax a few weeks ago.

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