No, only ich. Copper and chloroquine phosphate work well for velvet.
Thanks! I suspect I might have velvet. My clowns are in qt right now, I dont see white spots but I see minimal flashing. They hang at the bottom, look lethargic, breath rapidly but occasionally swim erractically around the tank then back to the bottom. I have cupramine & coppersafe. Do you think I should treat with copper asap?
Absolutely, treat ASAP. Velvet is a stone, cold killer. By the time you see physical symptoms like spots, they are usually dead. I'm pretty sure its not ich if the clowns look infected. Clowns are highly resistant to ich with their thick mucous coats.
Hmmm, that almost sounds like ammonia poisoning. What are you doing for Ammonia reduction in the QT?
I have 2 sponge filters that I dosed lots of bio-spira on. I was checking for ammonia for 3-4 days continuously before starting copper treatment. I also have a seachem ammonia alert badge that read 0 the entie time
Hmm, are they better out of the copper currently? It does usually take about 3-5 days for velvet to finish attacking the fish while in copper before the copper can kill the other infective stages. If they have velvet, that's where the fish would have to ride it out until the copper has effect on the life cycle of the parasite.
They are a little better out of copper, I'd say a little more active & alert, but still didnt respond to food. I really hope it's not velvet. I've had ich before and succesfully treated my fish with ttm. I was always hesistant to do copper but now I have too many fish to do ttm with 10g tanks.
Coppersafe is chelated copper which is usually a little easier on the fish. Did you doublecheck to make sure its at the proper dosage? What test kit are you using? With chelated copper, the best kit to use in my opinion is the API one as not all tests kits will pick up the chelated form.
Yeah I was raising slowly by adding 2ml every 12 hours. The plan was reaching 1.5ppm in 8 days because I had wrasses in there too. When I was at day 3 (10ml total in 20g so it's ~0.5ppm) that I noticed my fish looked noticeably terrible than before. The wrasses perished with in hours, then down the potters angel. The only one that is still doing fine is the melanurus wrasse and it is still in the medicated tank. I tested it with API copper test kit.
Did you look down the tube instead of through the side? I only ask because I made the mistake of through the side initially myself before rereading it. You should be reading the color looking down the tube onto the color chart.
Yes I looked down the tube when reading the color. But given the recommended range of coppersafe, dont you think, theorectically, that the concentration is still way too low to have a detrimental effect on fish? Wait a minute, I did a 20% wc the day before, my qt water's sg was at 1.022 sg where as the new water's sg was at 1.027, yielding the final sg is 1.023. Do you think that was the culprit?
Neither sound like the culprit to me based on what you wrote. Very odd. Keep us posted!
That's why I was very confused and frustrated. I read a lot before doing copper but it's a disaster now. But thanks for all the input. I really appreciate it!
No problem. Sorry I couldn't really help you diagnose. Last thought is bacterial, considering how quick all the fish died.
That's alright, thank you. Now that you said that, I had a light running 10 hours a day. Could that cause bacteria bloom that deplete the oxygen? But water was not cloudy, and I did 20% wc
I wouldn't think so but it really depends on stock level. I meant more so a bacterial infection running rampid through the tank.
Then its back to still being a mystery.
