Tank Transfer Method works for Velvet? (1 Viewer)

[binbinqn]

Sorry it's been a headache & frustration. Now back to square one, I think I'll let the clowns rest for another day then

do fw dip tomorrow​

and see if they can handle another try of copper. Thank you!

 

[webster1234]

I know its a little late now but I hate copper. I feel like I have lost more fish with it than I have saved. I only use CP now and have had good luck with it, both with infected fish, and for treating prophylacticly in QT.

 

[FarmerTy]

I know its a little late now but I hate copper. I feel like I have lost more fish with it than I have saved. I only use CP now and have had good luck with it, both with infected fish, and for treating prophylacticly in QT.

Coppersafe and copperpower have treated me well. I don't use any other form and have had good success with them. They aren't so harsh on the fish.

The OP was treating wrasses, which anectodal evidence suggests wrasses don't tolerate CP very well, and oddly hippo tangs.

For my own procedures, everyone gets CP, unless you're a wrasse or a hippo tang... Then copperpower for you. Haha.

 

[binbinqn]

I know its a little late now but I hate copper. I feel like I have lost more fish with it than I have saved. I only use CP now and have had good luck with it, both with infected fish, and for treating prophylacticly in QT.

I never feel good about doing chemicals unless it's bacterial infection. I've always done TTM and had great success with it. Now I'm down to a pair of clowns so I'm gonna do a shorter version of TTM to rid of both ich/velvet. I think 5g buckets with lots of prime can help me get through daily transfer. Btw clowns look way better today, hoep them can pull through this with me.

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[FarmerTy]

I never feel good about doing chemicals unless it's bacterial infection. I've always done TTM and had great success with it. Now I'm down to a pair of clowns so I'm gonna do a shorter version of TTM to rid of both ich/velvet. I think 5g buckets with lots of prime can help me get through daily transfer. Btw clowns look way better today, hoep them can pull through this with me.

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I ran TTM for long while, until it became too much work. I found it much less work to throw them in copper for QT and walk away.

FWIW, TTM will do nothing for velvet, only works for ich. It is based on the ich life cycle and interrupting it. Velvet is a dinoflaggelate, while similarities in life cycle exist by pure coincidence, TTM will not interrupt velvet's life cycle at all to the point of eradication like it does ich.

I'm glad the clowns are feeling better though.

 

[FarmerTy]

Just so I don't sound like an internet only expert. I've had velvet and fought it two times over 14 years of reefing. Both times with disastrous effects. The first time was just pure stupidity as my last fish I added looked good in the store so I just dropped it into the tank with no QT. Only my clowns survived if I remember correctly.

Second time was just sheer dumb luck. It came in on a frag I dipped. Reason I know this is because I hadn't added fish for 6 months prior to that and only added this frag during this timeframe. And later the LFS admitted to not knowing why he couldn't keep fish alive in his coral trough, which was where the frag was located. Lost 2/3rds my livestock that time. Both times was over thousands of dollars of fish lost each time so it hurt emotionally and financially. Lucky for your sake at least, the clowns survived again. Way to go overly active mucous coats!

I've also completed a 1.5 yr experiment on TTM and going ich free in the DT, with numerous 76 day fallow periods. By the end of the experiment, I concluded it was just not worth it. I wasn't the way I wanted to reef, worrying about every drop of water that hits my tank and QTing even macro and CUC.

So, I don't know everything but pretty familiar with ich and velvet at least, and some forms of bacterial infections. [emoji2]

 

[binbinqn]

I ran TTM for long while, until it became too much work. I found it much less work to throw them in copper for QT and walk away.

FWIW, TTM will do nothing for velvet, only works for ich. It is based on the ich life cycle and interrupting it. Velvet is a dinoflaggelate, while similarities in life cycle exist by pure coincidence, TTM will not interrupt velvet's life cycle at all to the point of eradication like it does ich.

I'm glad the clowns are feeling better though.

Thank you, they looked active and took a few bites of food I fed them, I am really happy, they are with me for almost a year now.

Now with ttm, not that I dont believe you but I read about velvet life cycle and noticed they do actually have a "cyst" stage for 2-4 days before releasing free swimmers, and they can feed on the fish 7 days max with 4 days average. So daily transfer for 7-8 days sound fairly sound to me. And my melanurus still kicking great in the copper tank, so after all, it could be ammonia spike or something else and not copper intolerance. Confusion at best haha

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[binbinqn]

Just so I don't sound like an internet only expert. I've had velvet and fought it two times over 14 years of reefing. Both times with disastrous effects. The first time was just pure stupidity as my last fish I added looked good in the store so I just dropped it into the tank with no QT. Only my clowns survived if I remember correctly.

Second time was just sheer dumb luck. It came in on a frag I dipped. Reason I know this is because I hadn't added fish for 6 months prior to that and only added this frag during this timeframe. And later the LFS admitted to not knowing why he couldn't keep fish alive in his coral trough, which was where the frag was located. Lost 2/3rds my livestock that time. Both times was over thousands of dollars of fish lost each time so it hurt emotionally and financially. Lucky for your sake at least, the clowns survived again. Way to go overly active mucous coats!

I've also completed a 1.5 yr experiment on TTM and going ich free in the DT, with numerous 76 day fallow periods. By the end of the experiment, I concluded it was just not worth it. I wasn't the way I wanted to reef, worrying about every drop of water that hits my tank and QTing even macro and CUC.

So, I don't know everything but pretty familiar with ich and velvet at least, and some forms of bacterial infections. [emoji2]

I've been following your reef tank thread, silently of course haha, and have great respect for you so any input/experience from you is much appreciated!

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[FarmerTy]

Thank you, they looked active and took a few bites of food I fed them, I am really happy, they are with me for almost a year now.

Now with ttm, not that I dont believe you but I read about velvet life cycle and noticed they do actually have a "cyst" stage for 2-4 days before releasing free swimmers, and they can feed on the fish 7 days max with 4 days average. So daily transfer for 7-8 days sound fairly sound to me. And my melanurus still kicking great in the copper tank, so after all, it could be ammonia spike or something else and not copper intolerance. Confusion at best haha

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Very nice research! I feel like there was examples of dinos hanging on the fish a bit longer but this is all from memory and my memory fails me more often then not these days. Have you ran across anybody else successfully doing a modified version of the TTM for velvet. It would be interesting to see. Might want to ping Humblefish on reef2reef. I learned a lot from him over the years and got a chance to thank him in person once. Stand up guy and always willing to help. I'm sure you probably read his writeup on velvet which is why you were looking for acriflavine.

There are a lot of silent readers on Marsh I feel. Anytime I do my annual frag sell off, names come out of the woodwork that I've never seen in my life. [emoji23] I appreciate the kind words.

 

[binbinqn]

Very nice research! I feel like there was examples of dinos hanging on the fish a bit longer but this is all from memory and my memory fails me more often then not these days. Have you ran across anybody else successfully doing a modified version of the TTM for velvet. It would be interesting to see. Might want to ping Humblefish on reef2reef. I learned a lot from him over the years and got a chance to thank him in person once. Stand up guy and always willing to help. I'm sure you probably read his writeup on velvet which is why you were looking for acriflavine.

There are a lot of silent readers on Marsh I feel. Anytime I do my annual frag sell off, names come out of the woodwork that I've never seen in my life. [emoji23] I appreciate the kind words.

Yessir it was me reading his velvet thread and me posing a question about daily ttm for velvet. He replied with his modified version of ttmr for velvet and stated it should work, theorectically, for both velvet/ich. The only difference is transfer every 36 hours for the first 3-4 transfers then 71 hours for the remaining 3 transfers.

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[FarmerTy]

Yessir it was me reading his velvet thread and me posing a question about daily ttm for velvet. He replied with his modified version of ttmr for velvet and stated it should work, theorectically, for both velvet/ich. The only difference is transfer every 36 hours for the first 3-4 transfers then 71 hours for the remaining 3 transfers.

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Well you learn something new everyday. Thank you for sharing that. Bobby is such an awesome guy!

 

[webster1234]

I never feel good about doing chemicals unless it's bacterial infection. I've always done TTM and had great success with it. Now I'm down to a pair of clowns so I'm gonna do a shorter version of TTM to rid of both ich/velvet. I think 5g buckets with lots of prime can help me get through daily transfer. Btw clowns look way better today, hoep them can pull through this with me.

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I used TTM successfully for 5 years or so with never a problem...until I had some velvet sneak through. Thank goodness the fish were still in the observation tank and I had CP on hand. Treated them that same day and only lost one. Myself, like ATX, will not do TTM any more. It uses too much water, ammonia is an issue, and it isn't 100% like I thought it was. Now, I'd rather take a seeded sponge filter from my sump and dose CP for 30 days. Since I don't have good luck with copper, I just stick with fish that can handle the CP.

 

[binbinqn]

I used TTM successfully for 5 years or so with never a problem...until I had some velvet sneak through. Thank goodness the fish were still in the observation tank and I had CP on hand. Treated them that same day and only lost one. Myself, like ATX, will not do TTM any more. It uses too much water, ammonia is an issue, and it isn't 100% like I thought it was. Now, I'd rather take a seeded sponge filter from my sump and dose CP for 30 days. Since I don't have good luck with copper, I just stick with fish that can handle the CP.

Indeed it is very labor extensive and water/salt consuming. I wish I'd never have to do it haha. But I am a wrasse lover so I can help but avoid copper/CP at much as possible.

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