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Mikester -

remote sandbeds can work exceptionally well. The key is flow. You have to turn the system over several times an hour. I was running, roughly, 250 gallons per hour through my 45 gallon refug with the intake drawing water from a settling point in my main system. I rigged all the powerheads to push the water to the same point in the main tank. The key is to move the water enough to allow the flocculent to be drawn into the refug, thus using the refug as a settling pond, as such. Allow the macros to grow thick enough, and they will filter the crap out before it hits the return to the main system. Keep the bug populations up and they'll also help. Run through the main system twice a month with a powerhead, or turkey baster, to get the crud out of the rocks, and everyone is happy. In the 3 years that I ran the hi-flo system I never had measureable nitrates or phosphates. All of this while feeding roughly 4 oz. of food (wet & dry weight) per day through the whole network. I ran the most diverse system that I've ever seen using this method. The one caveat is that it was a bitch to maintain, given that everything grew so fast in it that I had a hard time keeping up with the dosing schedules (esp. after I began travelling for work), and the constant turf wars that errupted between the animals overgrowing each other was also a pain. I took the system to the extreme, though, prob more than I should have.


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djreef,
Can you go into more details on your system?

You had a 45 gallon fuge but how big was the main tank?

How deep was your sand bed?

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The main system was a 120gal 48"x24"x24" reef ready corner overflow. An awesome sized tank for a reef. Lotsa depth for landscaping. The depth also allowed me to direct the flow, and hide the equipment more easily. The refugium was gravity fed with 5/8" washer hose (top drilled to prevent system emptying in the event of pump failure) from the over flow side of the main tank. The refugium (3ft 45 gallon breeder) was side drilled about 3/4ths of the way up, and the output plumbed through the stand of the main tank with PVC (where it drained back into the sump). The fuge housed a 6+" Southdown sandbed with some small rubble pieces of liverock scattered around. A Mag1200 returned the water to the tank, and maintained the flow through the network. The sump was a 20gal. long (I would have gone larger if I would have thought sooner). It was the largest I could fit through the front opening of the stand after setup. The main system (120 gal) had 4" coral sand, which was the obvious big mistake. This is the stuff that started solidifying on me because of the dosing (calcite crystalization and sandbed predation). It basically turned into concrete on me - then coraline grew over the top of it and it became functionally useless as a filtration medium. This actually, was what prompted me to add the refug in the first place. Flow was completed with 3 Maxiflo powerheads at various points in the main tank, and a Rio 2500 (shooting straight across the back) all aimed at the intake for the refugium. The refugium was additionally circulated with an old Maxiflo that, believe it or not, I got used from Eric some years ago. I have no idea how old it was, but it was evident it had seen some mileage. I think I gave it to Sherri when she bought the fuge. I wonder if it's still going? Anyway, I skimmed with a modified Aqua-C EV-150 driven with a Sen-700 pump. This skimmer setup rocked. At the system's peak I was pulling out more than a gallon & 1/2 of nasty dark skimate per month. I also had a Magnum 330 running medialess for extra circulation - not that I really needed it :D. The lighting was 440watts of URI 50/50 VHO, 250 watts of 6500K Iwasaki MH, and 110 watts of 10K PC (on the ends) mounted in a ventilated wooden canopy. Fuge was lit by a 150watt 50/50 URI VHO, burned 18hours/day - pretty much was off whenever the MH was running on the main tank. Needless to say heat was a big problem. I had to run fans for that, and keep my apartment at 67 degrees during the day. Reliant energy LOVED sending me my electric bill each month. If you were to ask me if I miss it, I'd have to say yes, and no. It was a major pain to run because of the time & complexity, but it was also damn nice to look at. Maybe when I retire one day I'll do it again. For now, I think I'll stick with my FOWLR setup. It's much easier/cheaper.

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djreef - So if I'm reading this right, your technique was to essentially use your fuge as a mechanical filter to trap the detritus, then hold it there to break down and feed the algae.

I agree with the strong flow, but why not just remove the detritus from your system before it breaks down? There are several proven methods for doing this - siphoning, filter socks, wet skimming, etc.
 

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incysor -

I have pix, but unfortunately most are hard copies. I think I have a CDROM around here somewhere. All the real good ones got deleted off of my friend's computer - yea I'm still pissed about that. I'll see if I can find it & post some. Actually, pieces of some of my tank pix are all over this website. The one at the botom of this page, on the banner, is an older shot prob. from around 2000, or so. That was the middle left, about 3 months after I put the refugium online. The red serpent in the mushrooms on the front page is also mine.

mike -

"djreef - So if I'm reading this right, your technique was to essentially use your fuge as a mechanical filter to trap the detritus, then hold it there to break down and feed the algae. "

That would be correct.


"I agree with the strong flow, but why not just remove the detritus from your system before it breaks down? There are several proven methods for doing this - siphoning, filter socks, wet skimming, etc."

The system was already too much work, with the dosing,and all. I was looking to make maintenance easier, and as far as the cleaning aspect goes, it was. I only did 20% water changes every 2-3 weeks & changed a polyfilter once a month. Besides, the refugium used a great deal of the waste generated by the main tank as fuel. The pods & bugs cultivated fed the rest of the system. The macros I grew out helped to keep me at break even for a couple of years. If you read my 2nd post you'll see that I also skimmed a great deal, too.

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