Scott said:
Come on John, surely you could've found a way to bury this deeper. My comment was SPECIFIC to the thread topic and there are dozens of threads a month not relevant to the Marine and Reef Discussion forum that don't get moved, but this one got moved? I knew it would though, I knew better. I even said the religious debate needed to be had in a different thread, I guess that part got lost in the move though. The only person that got off topic was fightmeaboutit, you didn't have to kill the whole thing. And yeah, you killed it. This forum doesn't get near the traffic as where it was started.
I said it once and I'll say it again: I thought this was for the members, not the board, so I kinda figured it should be done the way the MEMBERS thought it should. All I was trying to do was find out if other members felt the same to determine if the topic should be pursued or dropped. If the majority felt the same way it should be changed to reflect that and not just the opinion of a couple of board members who don't even want to let it be debated. If the majority felt different then I would've dropped it. I didnt start a religious debate, he did. Enjoy your HOLIDAY party YOUR club.
If I wanted to bury the thread I could have just removed it or certainly stuck it in a dark hole somewhere, but no I linked it and continued the disucssion. The stickies are meant to keep the members informed of the events. If any religious or political debates got missed in the past, that happens; I certainly can't live on the website reading every single thread.
In the course of the past 4 days I've received 22 complaints regarding the thread so I went with the majority 3 against 22 I have nothing against it being called A Christmas Party, A winter Celebration, the December Party... It has always been the "Holiday Party" with no reason other than that was what was picked by the people hosting it 8 years ago. I did a little checking and actually "Happy Holiday's" is a traditional reference to the parties held in America and goes back to when this country was working to seperate it self from religious oppression and open its self up to religious freedom so chalk it up to American Tradition but I can not tell you what was in the mind of the BOD back, then I can only guess.
If it is that important to you then 'YES' start a vote to have it changed for next year; I'm not redoing all of the content over a name that has been posted since June without a single complaint. NO member needs permission to post a request for change in the members forum and my actions have proven that year after year. Plenty of things have changed because others took the initiative to make the request and get the backing of the members. Some of the changes have certainly caused me a ton of grief but I have always defended them as the will of the members. Ask any member that has ever asked me to block something or pull something or ban someone... I do not take it lightly and wont do it without a lot of effort to resolve the matter first.
We are now in the lounge and for the most part anything goes but personal attacks I felt it would be better to continue here where others can voice their opinion but not force everyone that links to the stick for updates regarding the event to get emailed about every debate statement posted.
I personally don't like discussing my religious beliefs on MARSH since this the place I come to find people that can put up with my reef keeping obsession and I can tell you that no matter what the members ask for the party to be called it will still always be the last party of the current year to get together and have a little fun.
