Cure for STN / RTN...Finally!!! (1 Viewer)

[gregg]

The crickets chirp while coolname1 looks for a fake picture on the Internet.

...lets play nice.

 

[Reefahholic]

So I’m not sure what your implying.

I’m not in any room discussing this other than right here in this thread. Cody disagrees with you. That’s fine. Let the science prove it out.


My two pennies.

I agree. Let science prove it.

I still think some of you guys have already been in the “BOD private forum” discussing this thread. Lol Maybe not you steveb!

That’s the bad thing about letting people have power. They want to ban ban ban when something doesn’t go according to what they want or believe. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

 

[Reefahholic]

...lets play nice.

Sir yes Sir!

Is that a threat, command, warning, or a friendly comment?

 

[Reefahholic]

Let me ask one question. Why hasn’t anybody asked your Treasurer (Cody) or the Coolname guy to play nice? Cody has bashed the thread from the beginning. The Coolname guy obviously took a gut shot. Anybody with a brain could see that! Did you not expect me to respond to it?

This is not about you, them, or anybody! This thread was posted so that those who didn’t know what was currently taking place would have a chance to start following along! This is a huge milestone in the hobby. People can debate it all day, but it’s already being tested by Ocean Life as well as many others in the area. To be quite frank...it’s blowing up like crazy right now. So let’s all get along and watch this thing play out. I will respect anybody that doesn’t come at me with ridiculous comments.

 

[gregg]

Sir yes Sir!

Is that a threat, command, warning, or a friendly comment?

None of those... it was just a suggestion for everyone. Nothing wrong with a good debate, just don’t want to see personal attacks. Reef on!

 

[Reefahholic]

None of those... it was just a suggestion for everyone. Nothing wrong with a good debate, just don’t want to see personal attacks. Reef on!

Agree 100% Reef on!!!

 

[OceansX]

Reefaholic,

Thank you for posting about your excitement about this product. It’s great too see members excited about aspects of the hobby whether it's a coral, fish, or product.

If anyone feels threatened, harassed, or wishes to report a post or thread; please click the report button. You can also contact any BOD through the Contact Us page, private message through the forum (PM), or at any MARSH event. The BOD will review the issue, asap.

However given that, this is foremost a discussion forum, not a fan site. Members and guests are allowed, if not encouraged, to disagree and discuss hobby issues. This hobby is complex and MARSH exists as that discussion and support group.


Now, I’ve read through the whole thread. And yes there are some comments that could be judged snarky, but nothing that warrants in my opinion, the convening and judgment of the whole board. (You are welcome to use the report features if you feel otherwise.)


Regarding Cody, under his MARSH alias, you can see his MARSH title, Secretary. He like any other, MARSH board member, is NOT given any special leeway when using the forum.


However, Cody appears to have taken a lot of his time and effort to post some well thought-out counter-points and explanations as to why this product reads more like marketing than science. I’d encourage you to re-read through it and consider what he’s posted? Does the product’s posted “evidence” match its posted claims?


Isn’t this why you posted about this product on our discussion forum?


Thanks for you enthusiasm,



Sharath

 

[Luman01]

Ok, I wanna input my 2 cents of what my dad and I think about this new “ treatment”, basically our main question is it worth the money? I think we will find that out when marine biologist use it around the world and approve it. It’s a very young product give it time and it will tell us, was it a huge success or a big failure. As far as buying it, I’ll wait to see what Nick sr. Says about it. Now as far as the main debate between Cody, And Reefahholic, I see it was a friendly debate, Cody is providing you with counter arguments, for you to counter that’s how a debate works. I’ve been reading from the beginning, and i didn’t read anything where Cody was particularly targeting you per say. Really I think we are kinda iffy on This guy who may have invented a cure that we all want. As far was what Casue STN and RTN my dad and I agree, that a stressful situation causes soemthing and those tiny critters see and opportunity. And feast away. And depending how big they are, 1 gram could kill a colony if they are SUPER tiny. But I guess who really knows.

Lucas

 

[ITreefer]

Im hearing some definitive statements backed up by lots of "possibly" "maybe" and "most likely".
Seems like things aren't quite decided yet and they probably should be before marketing a product.

Regardless, I hope it turns out to be legit for those who need it.

 

[Reefahholic]

I appreciate all the comments I really do. I have no ill intent. I enjoy debating different topics and sometimes when not speaking face to face things can seem more offensive than they’re meant to be.

Regarding the report button. I can officially go on the record and say I’ve never once used it. To me, this is just a message board. I have a life outside of my reef tank, YouTube, and R2R. I have a little girl that will be born around April 29th. Life is great and I try not to let anything bother me too much. So as far as Cody goes, I have no problem with him.

Look, you guys know I’m skeptical about a lot of things. This RTN bug just makes a lot of sense to me personally, because I’m constantly in a medical setting. Bacterial infections, Viral infections, antibiotic therapy, are things I see daily. I’ve looked at bacteria under a microscope plenty of times and don’t feel it could do this rapid damage to a coral. I have access to a full medical lab here at work. I always look through their microscopes and we talk about all kinds of issues. I’m going to test the product like many others are doing now, and we’ll get to the bottom of this. For me... it really wasn’t the product that excited me so much. IT WAS the fact that Dr. Ara Deukmedjian made a great discovery that I’ve personally never heard anybody talk about before. Not only did he possibly find the culprits (I think he did), but HE documented it with video proof! That’s huge! Just go watch the chalice video!! Or the Swarm video. I always knew the numbers had to be extremely heavy for whatever it was. I knew it couldn’t be something like a red bug RTNing huge colonies in 24 hours. I knew it was most likely microscopic, and I wanted to see the evidence not just on the coral, but on the NECROSIS LINE feeding! I knew if somebody could catch that with the right numbers we’d have our monster! Tens of thousands of them caught munching away on video with bellies full of zooxanthellae! That’s like catching them with their hand in the cookie jar! Awesome! Such great work!


Here’s the questions I have.

1. Are they the actual cause? I don’t think they are. Well NOT the “initially” anyway. I do feel like they’re the cause of the complete RTN’s. I think the coral is mildly stressed (sometimes severely stressed) and then that stress somehow sends a signal, chemical, smell, scream, fart, who knows what....but the RTN bugs come running for a frenzy! Haha.

2. What signals them? What is their trigger??

3. Can they be 100% eliminated from our tanks? Like ICH...it’s hard to keep out, but it’s definitely possible and takes a lot of work! Will this take huge amounts of work to keep it out? How many dips on each coral? How many in-tank treatments would completely kill it? What about our fish?

Many more things to understand and a lot more questions to be answered! We have a great place to start now! For years it was only speculation. I just feel good about this. To actually think that we might know what’s caused this all these years is so refreshing!

 

[Reefahholic]

Im hearing some definitive statements backed up by lots of "possibly" "maybe" and "most likely".
Seems like things aren't quite decided yet and they probably should be before marketing a product.

Regardless, I hope it turns out to be legit for those who need it.

There’s no doubt the product is working. I’ve seen the evidence of that. We need to see just how affective it is long-term and with all suspected parasites involved. It has been working so far.

 

[Matyas]

Have these bugs been proven to eat coral, or is it possible that they are microorganisms that live on all surfaces? When i had dinos last year i bought a microscope and found many bugs like these all over frag plugs and rock rubble.

 

[ITreefer]

There’s no doubt the product is working. I’ve seen the evidence of that. We need to see just how affective it is long-term and with all suspected parasites involved. It has been working so far.

I don't doubt you. But, to my point, your statement sounds like one that would be made during the testing phase of a product.
I can also see your perspective of being excited about initial success and wanting to share it with others.

I also have a little girl coming soon with a due date of Apr 21.
Congrats on yours

 

[Reefahholic]

Have these bugs been proven to eat coral, or is it possible that they are microorganisms that live on all surfaces? When i had dinos last year i bought a microscope and found many bugs like these all over frag plugs and rock rubble.

They been proven to eat coral. No doubt.

 

[Reefahholic]

I don't doubt you. But, to my point, your statement sounds like one that would be made during the testing phase of a product.
I can also see your perspective of being excited about initial success and wanting to share it with others.

I also have a little girl coming soon with a due date of Apr 21.
Congrats on yours

Thx! Congrats to you as well. Regarding my statement that it’s killing the parasites. It’s killing the parasites, there’s no doubt. My statement has nothing to do with the Dr. We do not know each other whatsoever. Here’s some evidence that the parasites are definitely being affected:



There’s a lot more video of them dying and already dead. I’ll post that shortly. Trying to eat.

 

[Reefahholic]

Can’t argue with video evidence!







Many more videos too.

 

[Reefahholic]

I also have a little girl coming soon with a due date of Apr 21. Congrats on yours

You definitely feel my pain. Doctor apt after dr apt. Wife always in pain, hungry, contractions, etc. This will be my 1st and last baby! Lol

 

[paraletho]

There is alot of buzz about this as there was with the latest flatworm cure. If you look at bacteria and other one celled organisms, one thing is for certain they multiply exponentially. This gives them great advantage when conditions arise that are favorable to continued existence. It also gives the organism much quicker ability to mutate. I can just about guarantee that a year or two down the road this will no longer be effective. I believe Philaster to be opportunistic not the initial source. Maybe Vibrio ? ( sound familiar yes Vibrio vulnificus the flesh eating bacteria ) is the start and Philaster is the finish. Studies in the Great Barrier have been pointing to Vibrio for a while. Apparently always present in and around the coral the bacteria becomes pathonogenic under the temperature extremes.

I usually wait on anything new until a year or so out and let others work the bugs out.

Sincerely
Flatfish (Paralichthys lethostigma)

 

[mittens]

The idea sounds very exciting. Without proper scientific evidence following proper scientific method, which includes thousands, if not more, controlled testing in a sterile lab, followed by statistical analysis, this is at its current stage anecdotal. Getting to this stage will require more than a few experienced hobbyists, marine biologists, biochemists, biologists, pharmaceutical scientists and a whole lot of money. There following there is no fact here, and also no evidence of possible short and long term complications, which means there is no promise. If this product is being compared to antibiotics, antifungal, antiparasitic medication, etc used to treat human beings, it’s got a long way to go. Truth is this product has potential but will never work 100%, similar to most of the other products used in the reefing hobby, and for good reason. There simply isn’t enough interest in funding proper research on something that won’t generate profit. The product may help but there will be an element of just guessing. Either way, exciting stuff, looking forward to where this goes.

And I’m out.

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[RR-MAN]

It all depends on who's marketing/pushing the product regardless of the science behind it.

To me acro power was/is snake oil - catchy name & good marketing took it a long ways.