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Haha yeah, I do.
This will be my first also. We'll be trying one more time for a boy and then we're done.
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Cure for STN / RTN...Finally!!! (2 Viewers)
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This will be my first also. We'll be trying one more time for a boy and then we're done.
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Im just glad someone is working on this you can never quit exploring and looking for new ideas. I had my first reef tank 40 yrs ago
you would not believe how much things have changed since them. And im guessing it will get better
you would not believe how much things have changed since them. And im guessing it will get better
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To me I would have continued to add drops until I saw an effect.
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These were in less than 1ml of water. Maybe .3-.5 ml. If 1 drop doesn’t work in that, then we need to find a different product to dose. That puddle was about 3-4 drops of water. That’s it.
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So what he did was use “Koch's postulates.” These are four criteria designed to establish a “causative relationship” between a microbe and a disease. He’s went through all four Koch’s postulates more than a hunderd times before he officially announced his discovery.
Let me sum this up so that you can easily understand:
1. He isolated the Philaster parasite/ organism from RTNing coral.
2. Then he cultured it.
(IMO he did multiple sensitivity tests to find the Philaster’s weakness. After its weakness was identified... he developed His products. Then tested them to make sure they would work. Surely he tested with fish, inverts, etc.)
3. Next... he reintroduced the Philaster into healthy acropora samples.
4. Then the healthy acropora coral samples became infected, and they demonstrated RTN themselves.
5. Finally he re-isolated the Philaster parasite from the RTNing corals that were once healthy proving it was the same organisms.
Let me sum this up so that you can easily understand:
1. He isolated the Philaster parasite/ organism from RTNing coral.
2. Then he cultured it.
(IMO he did multiple sensitivity tests to find the Philaster’s weakness. After its weakness was identified... he developed His products. Then tested them to make sure they would work. Surely he tested with fish, inverts, etc.)
3. Next... he reintroduced the Philaster into healthy acropora samples.
4. Then the healthy acropora coral samples became infected, and they demonstrated RTN themselves.
5. Finally he re-isolated the Philaster parasite from the RTNing corals that were once healthy proving it was the same organisms.
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It all depends on who's marketing/pushing the product regardless of the science behind it.
To me acro power was/is snake oil - catchy name & good marketing took it a long ways.
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I hope it goes to every LFS in the states. This will quickly allow it to be tested by thousands and we’ll get more answers about possible side effects. Like fish and invert tolerance and much more.
Im not sure I would willingly test it in my tank, call me lame lol! When it comes to putting something in my tanks that doesn't occur naturally in the ocean, I'm skeptical about everything. BUT I am willing to keep an open mind and cheer on everyone else who decides to give it a shot
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Dr Ara Deukmedjian is actually a board certified Neuro Surgeon with 21 years experience.
I have no qualms abt him being a MD. Doctors and Researchers have been exploring aquatic life for years looking for cures and medicinal benefits for various "human" ailments. I am also not of the opinion one HAS to be a biologist to contribute to the treatment/cures of underwater ailments. But if there is one thing I have learned in this hobby... proceed with caution....never take anything at face value until you, yourself, have a clear and precise understanding and knowledge of any and all potential side effects and risks with regards to your system. Im not a science minded person, but I am an open minded personDr Ara Deukmedjian is actually a board certified Neuro Surgeon with 21 years experience.
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Not sure. Many parasites aren’t affected by certain treatments. IMO, all parasites and bacteria need to be tested for sensitivity. Bacteria can be gram positive or negative which can only be treated by certain antibiotics. In the same way that ICH is better treated with Copper or Chloroquine Phosphate rather than an antibiotic.
The reason why these dips aren’t working is because they did not test these guys. They mostly likely tested coral dips like revive or coral rx against very common coral parasites, but not the Philaster because they didn’t know they were there or even existed. Then I’m sure they were probably trying to hurry and market the product to get a return.
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Didn’t answer your second question.
So yes... it looks like as of now he’s the only one that has the best secret potion that’s killing them. It’s expensive if you have a large tank. $1,000’s
My thoughts...everybody from common reefers to the world of microbiology will start culturing & sensitivity tests on these parasites. Give it a year and it will become competitive which will drive the cost down. More formulas will come out, better and safer formulas, products will be patented, and the whole nine yards. All in the name of $$$$.
All I know is that I can’t wait to test more. Especially with fish. Somebody is supposed to get me some free products. We’ll see if they come through. No, I’m not affiliated with this Prime Coral guy. I wish I was because I’d be sitting on free products right now.
So yes... it looks like as of now he’s the only one that has the best secret potion that’s killing them. It’s expensive if you have a large tank. $1,000’s
My thoughts...everybody from common reefers to the world of microbiology will start culturing & sensitivity tests on these parasites. Give it a year and it will become competitive which will drive the cost down. More formulas will come out, better and safer formulas, products will be patented, and the whole nine yards. All in the name of $$$$.
All I know is that I can’t wait to test more. Especially with fish. Somebody is supposed to get me some free products. We’ll see if they come through. No, I’m not affiliated with this Prime Coral guy. I wish I was because I’d be sitting on free products right now.
Im not sure I would willingly test it in my tank, call me lame lol! When it comes to putting something in my tanks that doesn't occur naturally in the ocean, I'm skeptical about everything. BUT I am willing to keep an open mind and cheer on everyone else who decides to give it a shot
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My tank is young...I’ll take a chance.
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i would sure hope so, they way your advertising there product you deserve some for sure!
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Lol. I’m not as excited about the product as I am that we found the culprits. At least now we have a good idea what’s been going on for the last 50 years!
Just to make things more confusing, I have two cases of major TN going on where it stopped just short of killing the entire coral.
This one has looked like this for over a month. If something was eating it, I would think it would have finished it off by now. On the other hand, water conditions or any other stressor would obviously affect the whole coral, not just all but the last 2mm of one branch. The little bit that's alive has actually gotten some color back recently, so I'm somewhat hopeful that it may come back.
This one occurred more recently and was more rapid. The TN started at the base but left this little bit of base alone. I'm not sure what happened - there is a slight possibility the anemone touched it but I don't think so, but it did fall off the rock once and may have landed partly on an Aiptasia.
And sorry Jared, I don't want to put them in a small dish or try to get them under a microscope, because I still hope they might come back and they can't take any more stress.
This one has looked like this for over a month. If something was eating it, I would think it would have finished it off by now. On the other hand, water conditions or any other stressor would obviously affect the whole coral, not just all but the last 2mm of one branch. The little bit that's alive has actually gotten some color back recently, so I'm somewhat hopeful that it may come back.
This one occurred more recently and was more rapid. The TN started at the base but left this little bit of base alone. I'm not sure what happened - there is a slight possibility the anemone touched it but I don't think so, but it did fall off the rock once and may have landed partly on an Aiptasia.
And sorry Jared, I don't want to put them in a small dish or try to get them under a microscope, because I still hope they might come back and they can't take any more stress.
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Just to make things more confusing, I have two cases of major TN going on where it stopped just short of killing the entire coral.
This one has looked like this for over a month. If something was eating it, I would think it would have finished it off by now. On the other hand, water conditions or any other stressor would obviously affect the whole coral, not just all but the last 2mm of one branch. The little bit that's alive has actually gotten some color back recently, so I'm somewhat hopeful that it may come back.
This one occurred more recently and was more rapid. The TN started at the base but left this little bit of base alone. I'm not sure what happened - there is a slight possibility the anemone touched it but I don't think so, but it did fall off the rock once and may have landed partly on an Aiptasia.
And sorry Jared, I don't want to put them in a small dish or try to get them under a microscope, because I still hope they might come back and they can't take any more stress.
No worries. Thx for sharing them!
