Well as every one else seems to think so and/or be extremely rude over PMs while I am trying to obtain equipment I will be postponing my membership fee until I see it fit and ready. I would rather use the little extra that would go to signing up to purchase new equipment from more appreciative people. Thought that this community would have been welcoming and willing to part with their equipment and aid another hobbyist but it doesn't seem as such. Ive had great luck on planted forums but I guess saltwater is different.
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Loverboy19
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I'm sorry that you have bad experience with some members in here. I can assure you that most of us in here are friendly and eager to help you to be successful in this hobby.
Well did my first water change Thursday night and the addition of the dry rock must have started the cycle again. Ran out to FJW and Dennis prescribed Fritz Turbo 900. Added more than required and moved the animals to a 5 gal bucket with airstone for the night. This morning none of the params changed ammonia and everything was still the same levels. Also added some more Live Rock from one of Dennis' tanks encrusted in beneficial bacteria. Yes I rushed, but my readings after week 1 showed availability of adding livestock, the dry rock should have been cured outside the tank but didnt have the ability to do so.
On the flip side of this hopefully my clown and annenome are getting to know each other and will host when they go back into the tank.
Sorry to have vented in my past post but like I said you would think that hobbyists getting out would like to help new hobbyist get in.
On the flip side of this hopefully my clown and annenome are getting to know each other and will host when they go back into the tank.
Sorry to have vented in my past post but like I said you would think that hobbyists getting out would like to help new hobbyist get in.
Jhwku, don't let some of the comments made by some of the members bother you too much. I am sure they mean well and it just didnt come across that way. The main thing I think everyone wants is for you to not rush and take the time in the beginning to set your tank up properly so that you can be successful and not experience reoccurring issues from the get go.
love those tanks though, you did a great job cleaning it up! "another mans trash is another mans treasure" an understatement in this case!! Keep us updated through the build process I will follow. Welcome to Marsh!
love those tanks though, you did a great job cleaning it up! "another mans trash is another mans treasure" an understatement in this case!! Keep us updated through the build process I will follow. Welcome to Marsh!
Andy
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Looks like the start of a good system. Be careful of livestock in a bucket with airstone. the PH will drop pretty quick.
Most tanks take about 3 weeks to cycle to show no ammonia, no nitrite & trace of nitrate.
I think alot of people here have just seen too many people rush into this & kill everything in their tank.
Good luck & keep asking questions
Most tanks take about 3 weeks to cycle to show no ammonia, no nitrite & trace of nitrate.
I think alot of people here have just seen too many people rush into this & kill everything in their tank.
Good luck & keep asking questions
Im keeping an eye on PH and swapping fresh salt water with the bucket. would throw the ecotech in there but round sides makes it difficult. ill check params in a couple of hours again. should be fine by tonight according to others testimonials of the product.
I stopped by aquarium world as it was across from BB, their tanks were terrible. The last couple of weeks theyve had good live stock and decent sales. This week was such a turn off. Looking for future live stock wont actually add until August. Thinking about a purple firefish and a sandsifter of some sort. I want a fire angel but will be keeping my eye out for a deal on one. If there is still room get either a mimic or yellow tang, or some other angels. Any suggestions of livestock.
For corals Ill get some crazy colored Zoas, have a friend making a few frags of msc corals for me. Then just see what looks nice.
I stopped by aquarium world as it was across from BB, their tanks were terrible. The last couple of weeks theyve had good live stock and decent sales. This week was such a turn off. Looking for future live stock wont actually add until August. Thinking about a purple firefish and a sandsifter of some sort. I want a fire angel but will be keeping my eye out for a deal on one. If there is still room get either a mimic or yellow tang, or some other angels. Any suggestions of livestock.
For corals Ill get some crazy colored Zoas, have a friend making a few frags of msc corals for me. Then just see what looks nice.
PescadoAmor
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Hi Welcome! post pictures! If you get a firefish I would just recommend adding a top mesh so they don't jump out of your tank.
First off, welcome to MARSH. Keep updating as you go through the process and you will a lot of good advice and knowledge. Don't put too much into selling threads and any comments from that. Realize those guys are frustrated that they are getting out or frustrated with problems so they are getting out. Also some of the equipment in this hobby can be expensive and it can be tough for them when asked by a lot of people to sell for much less than they invested.
fishcraze_1
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The problem I had was stocking of clown and nem within week of tank cleanup. Not meant to be disrespectful or the like.
Oh no your the first to tell me this, I cant add a mesh top to this tank. I guess Ill have to find something else. Checked params last night and couldnt tell if ammonia had gone down or not, the api test kit gets cloudy and makes it hard to tell color. I will test later today to see where we are at and if its still high Ill have to have some "words" with dennis' 24 hour cycle magic in a bottle. Looking into getting some crazy Zoas soon as well.
Andy
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Let me explain:
People here want to have a saltwater aquarium to watch their fish/corals thrive & reproduce. This takes time. What we see is someone rushing nature. You cannot rush this or you will kill everything you put in the tank.
You are already looking to add zoas & you are still showing ammonia. Everytime you add a invert or fish to the tank their waste is ammonia. The bacteria will eat the ammonia & turn it to Nitrite, then a bacteria will eat that & turn it to nitrate which is less toxic than the first two.
If you add too many items at one time the first bacteria cannot handle all the waste to make the change to nitrite & nitrate. Then you "crash " the biological system
If you do not wait this out & you keep adding live animals, their death is almost certain, & no one on this site wants that.
If you do not listen to everyone that keeps trying to help you, then you will get "bashed" by everyone here.
It is not fair to the animals to be put to death because you do not want to do the responsible thing & do it right.
We all will help you, but not if you continually don't listen & do it wrong.
This is not freshwater, you cant just dump fish & inverts in the tank & expect them to live.
Off my soap box. Please listen to us, we have already made mistakes you can learn from. We want to help, but most will ignore you if you keep ignoring proven science.
People here want to have a saltwater aquarium to watch their fish/corals thrive & reproduce. This takes time. What we see is someone rushing nature. You cannot rush this or you will kill everything you put in the tank.
You are already looking to add zoas & you are still showing ammonia. Everytime you add a invert or fish to the tank their waste is ammonia. The bacteria will eat the ammonia & turn it to Nitrite, then a bacteria will eat that & turn it to nitrate which is less toxic than the first two.
If you add too many items at one time the first bacteria cannot handle all the waste to make the change to nitrite & nitrate. Then you "crash " the biological system
If you do not wait this out & you keep adding live animals, their death is almost certain, & no one on this site wants that.
If you do not listen to everyone that keeps trying to help you, then you will get "bashed" by everyone here.
It is not fair to the animals to be put to death because you do not want to do the responsible thing & do it right.
We all will help you, but not if you continually don't listen & do it wrong.
This is not freshwater, you cant just dump fish & inverts in the tank & expect them to live.
Off my soap box. Please listen to us, we have already made mistakes you can learn from. We want to help, but most will ignore you if you keep ignoring proven science.
My neighbor has an established tank. If I can get my readings down far enough I can add corals that I find "good deals" on to his tank while mine is cycling. I have nothing better to do this weekend and stopping by and seeing something that I would like wont harm anything. I said in another post that I wouldnt be adding anything to this tank until August. I can go out and find deals and put them in either a qt or my neighbors tank until mine is ready. I understand everyones concern for the safety of the animals. I can look and get ideas as I havnt figured out this forum to see others tanks, homework is the key to success, Ive learned that from planted tanks.
Another note I still cant tell on my API test about the ammonia readings. It shows 0 nitrites and 0 Nitrates though.
Andy
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Your readings will be.
ammonia will climb. -- 0 Nitrite 0 Nitrate
after the ammonia peaks you will show some Nitrite 0 Nitrate
after the Nitrite peaks you will start showing Nitrate
You need to wait until you have 0 Ammonia, 0 Nitrite & a trace of Nitrate.
Then it is "cycled" & the bacteria needed to change everything to Nitrate is present.
Add a SMALLLLLLL pinch of food every 3 days which will help add waste to the system.
There is no time table here, when you show nitrates you can SLOWLY start adding life.
After you start adding things I would test all 3 every 2 days to make sure no ammonia or nitrites show up. If they do stop adding until the bacteria catches up.
We have not even talked about Alkalinity, PH, Calcium or magnesium........
Go see MARSH tanks. This will give you the best ideas on how to do things. There are alot of people in the Montrose/Heights area.
Store tanks will not give you much insight as they add so much new water to their tanks because the bag a new fish comes in takes water from their system. When adding (water change in essence) so much new water they do not usually dose much in their systems or even check those levels very often.
ammonia will climb. -- 0 Nitrite 0 Nitrate
after the ammonia peaks you will show some Nitrite 0 Nitrate
after the Nitrite peaks you will start showing Nitrate
You need to wait until you have 0 Ammonia, 0 Nitrite & a trace of Nitrate.
Then it is "cycled" & the bacteria needed to change everything to Nitrate is present.
Add a SMALLLLLLL pinch of food every 3 days which will help add waste to the system.
There is no time table here, when you show nitrates you can SLOWLY start adding life.
After you start adding things I would test all 3 every 2 days to make sure no ammonia or nitrites show up. If they do stop adding until the bacteria catches up.
We have not even talked about Alkalinity, PH, Calcium or magnesium........
Go see MARSH tanks. This will give you the best ideas on how to do things. There are alot of people in the Montrose/Heights area.
Store tanks will not give you much insight as they add so much new water to their tanks because the bag a new fish comes in takes water from their system. When adding (water change in essence) so much new water they do not usually dose much in their systems or even check those levels very often.
Ok so I need some advice on some live stock. This week Liveaquaria has a sale on a few fish that I have been eyeing. The first is a Flame Angel for a decent price, definently lower than ive seen elsewhere. Second is a Tiger Watchman Goby. I would like to know if others have kept this fish successfully or any experiences with this particular goby. Ive read on fish care sites that its easy to care for yet on forums many say its the hardest goby to keep. I really appreciate your input.
Nice little set up. I'm thinking about a second elos tank.
Good one Holly.
Wow! Very nice! I have a empty curb waiting anytime!This will be a nice can't wait to see!
Good one Holly.
Andy
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Has ur tank cycled yet?
Yes the tank has cycled. The Fritz turbo has done a great job creating bacteria. I actually got yelled at by dennis saying that my test kit was a POS and that my tank had infact cycled. My phosphates are a little high as is calcium, working on getting those down this weekend with a good water change and utilizing the rest of the chambers of my sump by adding the skimmer.
Andy
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